OSx86 10.4.4 Leaked

How about the EFI compatible motherboards already? Has anyone tried to boot with one of these, like the Intel D945GNTLKR. I would try it, but the download is another day away from completing. Are the EFI's on these boards real EFI or ? I haven't seen any articles on the web about EFI on these boards, except for the Tech specs on Intels site that say it's EFI compatible. And I can't find an EFI boot only OS to test it out. Vista Beta 2 boots via the Bios.

IF these problems are caused by a lack of EFI, then EFI goes a lot deeper than just affecting a few ATi kexts. It probably doesn't affect applications directly, but frameworks that the applications need might be tied into EFI. EFI isn't such a hard thing to get past, but the problem is there aren't too many resources available yet. There's really not much we can do for the time being.

 

Wait about 3 months and there might be more opensource material reguarding EFI. There will be tons and tons of articles online as Vista gets nearer, which uses EFI, and methods of adding an EFI compatability layer to pre-existing BIOS. But for now, like I said, there's not much we can do. That is, unless there is a genius among us.

Where are you getting that EFI has anything to do with the ATI kexts? As I understand it EFI only boots OS X and doesn't need to communicate with it after. I could be wrong, but I believe that's why we don't need to use EFI for 10.4.4.

As well, your plan of trying to use EFI doesn't really work out because every EFI module is programmed for a VERY specific piece of hardware. You can't mix and match like with kexts. The Radeon EFI driver is made for the x1600 Radeon card only, doesn't work with a 9800 or a x800. We really can't use EFI to go by because some modules that you'd figure aren't important load stuff that is important to another module and so on and so forth. Unless you want to build a machine EXACTLY the same as an Intel Mac then EFI is not all that viable.

How about the EFI compatible motherboards already? Has anyone tried to boot with one of these, like the Intel D945GNTLKR. I would try it, but the download is another day away from completing. Are the EFI's on these boards real EFI or ? I haven't seen any articles on the web about EFI on these boards, except for the Tech specs on Intels site that say it's EFI compatible. And I can't find an EFI boot only OS to test it out. Vista Beta 2 boots via the Bios.

I dunno. I read somewhere that only processors like certain Celeron D's and Xeons support EFI. Plus (I know this), the EFI boards come with EFI disabled, and EFI is unenableable (Is that a word?).

To all contributors,

I just wanted to take the time to thank everyone for their hard work and tireless efforts. I just got on the ball with this whole osx86 idea about 5 days ago and have had only a few problems along the way. Not once have I been in a situation where I could not find the answer to my problem either through these forums or with a little logical reasoning and searching. I feel this project is a valuable resource and learning tool for many. I wish my own expertise was great enough to contribute to the project. I will do my best to post compatibility issues as I run across them. Once again thanks to all for my functional osx86 box. I chose this as my first post as I am sure most of the great contributors will be reading it and really just wanted to say thanks.

Thanks again to all contributors!!!

discin420style

How about the EFI compatible motherboards already? Has anyone tried to boot with one of these, like the Intel D945GNTLKR.

No, at the moment, the EFI is basically the bios in the mac which already contains a few apps, resources etc. Essentially, unless you can load those EFI 'parts' into your machine, you won't be able to boot OSX.

The light at the end of the tunnel however, is that Vista (at least it looks that way), will eventually support EFI booting. Maybe by then we ill have figured it out, but if that is the case we could modify the EFI loader on the Vista install to run the OSX installation.

Although, at the moment, the fact that this EFI comes preloaded on a mac and uneditable is one of Apple's primary weapons. By not releasing the code in the EFI, nobody can crack it or install it on other hardware.

IIRC Intel said that the 945 based boards can support EFI, so the lucky ones of you that own them should flash over Ye Aulde Bios.

Anyone know if there might be a usefull NVIDIA driver somewhere in the 10.4.4 dmg? I'm doubting it since there be no NVIDIA cards for intel osx, but, here's hoping anyway.

IIRC Intel said that the 945 based boards can support EFI, so the lucky ones of you that own them should flash over Ye Aulde Bios.

Firstly, we need the flash file to our boards but

I really think that we need sample intel EFI framework.

It is optimistic, I know, but don't forget apple EFI is comming from this framework too and it is still piece of software - we can change it.

sonichart,

The whole set of kexts (drivers) from the Intel 10.4.4 were leaked over a week ago and I haven't heard anything regarding useful Nvidia stuff. In fact, I think the only useful thing I have heard about so far is that the Broadcom 4320 based wireless cards are supported again with some tweaking of a plist file. From what I have been reading, it seems that more things were removed from the driver set overall than were added. I wonder if that will continue to happen as the final hardware components of "real" Macs get established?

Firstly, we need the flash file to our boards but

I really think that we need sample intel EFI framework.

It is optimistic, I know, but don't forget apple EFI is comming from this framework too and it is still piece of software - we can change it.

Well, I don't know much about EFI but I have D945GNT and I happened to stumble on my board's EFI features yesterday when trying to recover from too tight DDR2 timings... (the board couldn't reach BIOS setup).

So, if you set the BIOS config jumper to "Configure" instead of the normal setting, you are taken directly to BIOS setup with an extra menu for configuring the EFI along with some other features.

I'm not sure that this is any help to anyone, but what the hell, there's plenty of space on this server

The whole set of kexts (drivers) from the Intel 10.4.4 were leaked over a week ago and I haven't heard anything regarding useful Nvidia stuff. In fact, I think the only useful thing I have heard about so far is that the Broadcom 4320 based wireless cards are supported again with some tweaking of a plist file. From what I have been reading, it seems that more things were removed from the driver set overall than were added. I wonder if that will continue to happen as the final hardware components of "real" Macs get established?

the 10.4.4 kexts are stripped down... not totally, but don't support the large range of "generic" hardware that the 10.4.3 drivers do. I think they will probably continue to be stripped until Apple release a tower intelMac, when they will have to open up the drivers again, especially the graphics drivers. of course, if Apple decide NOT to release a box iMac, we're going to have to find other ways to get our drivers (porting, writing from scratch etc)

the intel toolkit leads to a question mark.

when you "boot" it, it's stored in ram.

now, every OS frees every bit of ram just after it boots(usually),

so,

if you'll manage to boot the Os with the intel's efi(which i doubt atm) the fake efi will surely disappear.

when the kernel/driver searches for efi it will fail(i guess it will faill anyway as it wants hardware registers not ram bits).

as you understand it's not just a matter of bypass a protection.

mixing old bootable files and 10.4.4 i guess it will not help too much

the only way i see a bit of sense is to use a virtualization program for osses that relies on efi standard but i guess there aren't any around yet

Just mounted the 10.4.4 dmg...

When you open up Applications - Utilities there's a so-called "Open Firmware Password" utility... What is this supposed to be doing??? Double-clicking on it tells me that my firmware needs to be updated

A couple of quotes that were lost in this active discussion-

That is, unless there is a genius among us.

Thanks, Tak -

I am absolutely certain we have way more than our fair share of genius here. Seriously, the combined brainpower of this forum is frankly awesome. When we all pull together we WILL get results.

To all contributors,

 

I just wanted to take the time to thank everyone for their hard work and tireless efforts... ... ...

Thanks again to all contributors!!!

 

discin420style

Discin420style, thanks - that's very much appreciated. We get plenty of posts complaining that someone can't do this or find that so it's really good to hear that we are hitting the spot. Keep coming back and there will be more and more.

And equally seriously, a BIG thanks to everyone for making this forum what it is. Now I'll let everyone get back to the topic of getting that 10.4.4 to work...

-Sarah

Just mounted the 10.4.4 dmg...

 

When you open up Applications - Utilities there's a so-called "Open Firmware Password" utility... What is this supposed to be doing??? Double-clicking on it tells me that my firmware needs to be updated

That's always been there. It's the same as setting a BIOS password.

Important Question:

What do you think will happen when you try to install 10.4.4 to an original PPC mac??!! I think it will not work but what will bring future? If someone buy 10.5 (Leopard), it must be able to run too on "older" Powermacs (that don't have efi) like all versions till now have done..

Important Question:

 

What do you think will happen when you try to install 10.4.4 to an original PPC mac??!! I think it will not work but what will bring future? If someone buy 10.5 (Leopard), it must be able to run too on "older" Powermacs (that don't have efi) like all versions till now have done..

I would expect that future install DVD's will contain multiple partitions, a small 'bootable' x86 part, a small 'bootable' ppc part, and a larger installaable part containing the installation packages. It's going to require some neat trickery to make that happen, since Apple's Partitioning scheme on PPC and the EFI Partitioning schemes appear to be mutually exclusive.

Out of curiousity the System Restore disk from my iMac Core Duo will not boot on the on PM G5, but will read, so there are certainly some wrinkles for Apple to solve.

Hmm, sounds good.. I have checked the apple store now, they are selling 10.4.3 and it's obvious that this os isn't running on a intel mac. So they have to sell a version, that runs on both, ppc and intel macs!

But for now it's too fresh, I thinks that the next os that they were selling is osx 10.4.4 - installable on ppc and intel macs!

Don't know but it's an idea..

Hello and thanks,

Just a quick question: Is the current available Os X (10.4.3 I beleive, for sale on the apple site) Universal? I'm only asking because I would go and buy it from apple, apply a patch, and install. This I could afford. I know it is still "illegal" to run Os X on anything other than a mac, but at least it isn't outright pirating...untill then, or untill I can afford a mac(let alone a new pc at all)... Thanks for all the hard work, and for sharing :pirate2:

(seems as though others have already touched on this topic, does anyone know for certain? cheers)

I'm sure that the version 10.4.3 isen't binary!! It's still for persons who have 10.3 and wan't upgrade to tiger.. because of that I'm sure that apple have to bring out a newer version, that is binary and at same time compatible to ppc..

Hi People, I'm here to really thanks all of you that are dedicating a part of your time to make this real and i'm sure that is just a matter of time, to have 10.4.4 booting and runing well on ours systems.

Keep doing your good job :pirate2:, and if there is any thing i can do to help.

Let me Know!

I'm sure that the version 10.4.3 isen't binary!! It's still for persons who have 10.3 and wan't upgrade to tiger.. because of that I'm sure that apple have to bring out a newer version, that is binary and at same time compatible to ppc..

of course, new I(ntel)mac users won't be interested in purchasing the latest OS at the apple site untill 10.5 comes out. I was just thinking back to how I had to install the DTK in pearpc...

cheers,

you, I just read this post in one sitting, and it seems to me that taking the EFI emulator from Vista is a viable idea, I think that the real issue is to make something that truely makes a functional emulator of EFI v1.12 instead of 1.10. Although I'm not a hacker, I apperciate all the time and hard work your putting into this. Thanks

Representing all of those without the money to buy a mac,

advid

Has anyone actually tried to burn this on a DVD? The image size is 4.7GB and I can't burn it on a single layer DVD-+R which only has 4.4GB. Tried to remove XCode Tools (-800MB!), but ISO still has a size of 4.7GB.

Has anyone actually tried to burn this on a DVD? The image size is 4.7GB and I can't burn it on a single layer DVD-+R which only has 4.4GB. Tried to remove XCode Tools (-800MB!), but ISO still has a size of 4.7GB.

After you remove xcode , if your using ultraiso, click save as ..it will rewrite the iso, but if any patches PPF's are made for it , it will be on the original ISO.