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Apple Retail Employees Fired for Getting Leopard

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Five Apple Retail employees were fired recently for illegally obtaining a pre-release version of Leopard floating around on the usual Bit Torrent sources. The employees were overheard discussing their actions (presumably obtaining, installing, and using the pre-release Leopard), and when news of this incident reached Cupertino, Apple launched an investigation ending in the admission by all the employees of their illegal actions. This is not surprising considering two years ago, Apple had tracked down and sued 3 individuals who it claimed were the originators of the leak of Tiger before it had been officially released. That case was eventually settled out of court with the defendants.

 

One terminated employee said: "All of us know that we violated our NDA and ethics policy. Therefore, because we had the character to tell the truth and to face the consequences of our actions, we were terminated." The employee wonders if such "drastic penalties" were warranted for this situation, remarking that: "My only question is, if we all lied and denied it would we still be working at Apple today? Even more so, is that the kind of person that Apple wants working for them?" Perhaps this should be considered wise advice to posterity, as Apple claims there could be more "terminations" in the future.

 

Thanks to Xiberia for posting this in Reader News!

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gwprod12

Does Apple want employees who are dishonest and cant find the truth if it's sewn to their nose? Of course they do. Apple's corporate philosophy is "Tell a lie enough, and it becomes the truth".

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br0adband

Just something I thought of:

 

Anyone that replies to this thread that says "Yes, they should have been fired, they did something wrong" and has a sig that plainly states they're running OSx86 and they don't own a real Mac should be kneecapped for it, I'd say.

 

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kevin_4e

br0adband, what you're saying is a little off depending on how you look at it. People may think it's wrong for Apple employees to download it for the sake of being a paid employee (with an agreement to not do illegal p2p stuff). On the other hand an x86 user may feel that they are not obligated to staying honest with Apple because they are not apart of Apple.

 

I personally feel sorry for those guys but they clearly made some mistakes, the biggest one being that they admitted to it. Oh well.

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br0adband

In other words, what I said still stands and still applies.

 

It would be wrong for anyone to post in this thread (on one hand) saying those people got exactly what they deserved, while on the other hand showing a sig or whatever stating publicly that you're using illegal software - it has nothing to do with OSx86 at all, that just happens to be what this forum is about, that's the only tie-in.

 

Doing so would be like people that laugh at speeders on the highway that get caught while driving past at speeds in excess of the posted limit. It's just hypocrisy in action, simple.

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In other words, what I said still stands and still applies.

 

It would be wrong for anyone to post in this thread (on one hand) saying those people got exactly what they deserved, while on the other hand showing a sig or whatever stating publicly that you're using illegal software - it has nothing to do with OSx86 at all, that just happens to be what this forum is about, that's the only tie-in.

 

Doing so would be like people that laugh at speeders on the highway that get caught while driving past at speeds in excess of the posted limit. It's just hypocrisy in action, simple.

 

amen :hysterical:

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gazasaurusu
Therefore, because we had the character to tell the truth and to face the consequences of our actions, we were terminated."

 

 

I thought that was funny, telling the truth after you have been caught doesn't show character.

 

On a side note I've never met an apple store employee that wasn't a halfwit. There's nothing wrong with stealing OSX in my opinion, but talking about stealing from the company you work for, whilst you are there, at that very company, working, is pretty moronic.

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EPDM
Just something I thought of:

 

Anyone that replies to this thread that says "Yes, they should have been fired, they did something wrong" and has a sig that plainly states they're running OSx86 and they don't own a real Mac should be kneecapped for it, I'd say.

 

:thumbsdown_anim:

 

Sure let Apple be the good guy here. Keep in mind that Apple is a lying {censored} themselves. See the numerous examples e.g. Mac Mini 1 "Don't buy a cheap PC with lame onboard video", Mac Mini 2 "onboard video goes twice as fast as older mini"; Yeah sure. Or how about "G5 goes at least twice as fast"-proclaiming for years and when Intel Mac's come; "Intel Mac's twice as fast as current generation". FOr god's sake wake up. They're the bad guys NOT us. And please don't come with that FUD that pressent Intel CPU's didn't excist back then when we all know they're no-more than an a souped up 1999 PIII (which is in itself no-more than a 1997 PII with SSE) .

 

 

In regards to performance. It are the Hackintosh users who know the truth. They KNOW that a P4 running OSX is NOT twice as fast as a G5. Oh yeah, "their" OSX is suposedly "not-optimised", come on. Let's be honnest. Optimisation can increase performance by 10 to 25 or 30%. Not double the speed of the system. In that respect a "typical" HT P4 3GHz has about the same speed as a dual core G5 2GHz. So I seriously doubt that the present core-duo iMac is twice as fast as older G5 generations. Sure video performance might be a bit better since Intel code from both nVidia and ATI is probably more optimised for intel then for PPC.

 

But hey: Keep telling lies long enough and one day you start even believing them self.

 

EPDM

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xiberia

the moral of this story is: if you're going to download pirate OS from a torrent, don't go into work the next day and brag about it. Or even talk about it. Fairly obvious really...

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SuperJudge
Just something I thought of:

 

Anyone that replies to this thread that says "Yes, they should have been fired, they did something wrong" and has a sig that plainly states they're running OSx86 and they don't own a real Mac should be kneecapped for it, I'd say.

 

:dev:

This is true. I don't think I could kneecap them, though.

<-- Not without sin. ;)

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intrax

This is what you would expect from a 'moronic' (like that word...) company like Apple, that charges usd 200,- extra for their BLACK model macbook. Steve doesn't like his employees walking ahead of the crowd, because that is what he regards of to be HIS position... allthough he got there steeling and buying the ideas and skills of others...

 

Fact is we are living in a world of hypocrits and if you want to join in and be a hypocrit too, like as an employee violiating your company policy rules and illegally downloading non-public beta stuff like leopard preview, the other hypocrits don't want you to brag about it. So don't ! Otherwise face the consequenses and don't argue if you should be lying about it or not, because that is hypocritical...

 

So steeling OSX and hacking it to have it run on non-apple hardware is ok and nobody needs to be kneecapped for it, as we are all hypocrits too... :dev:

 

Too bad however that the bunch bragging about their progress on the subject in this thread leopard on x86 are not making any substantial progress and are constantly screeming for the return of hero maxxuss to the scene, which is kinda irritating... but that's probably because I'm a hypocrit too... ;)

 

 

my 2cents... :D

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gufus

In my oppinion, of course it was a "moronic" thing to talk in the store about illegally downloading Leopard beta.

 

But there is one thing to be considered. I think it is actually a good thing for Apple if those selling people have a copy of Leopard Beta. Because, when people come to the store and ask about coming features, they can tell them quite in detail how this feature is going to work (TimaMachine for example).

 

If they don't know anything about Leopard but the propaganda from Apple, it is exactly as going to the discounter next door and talk to the selling guys that have no clue about anything.

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Takuro

You'd think that as employees, they would already have access to Leopard in some way. Obviously they're not talking about some average Joes working at the local Apple store. They're talking about people at the big place in Cupertino. I'm sure they'd be able to get their hands on it. Apple was just upset at the method of obtaining it. I think they only told the truth because they weren't expecting to lose their jobs and they figured that if they told the truth, they could avoid bigger problems down the road.

 

Seriously, just because they were enthusiastic about the next OS X release, they lost their jobs? It's not like they stole billions from the company. But I guess you can't expect rational judgment from the Apple colt. If you don't complacently do things exactly their way, you're terminated. It sounds like 1984.

 

This just proves one thing: lying pays off in the end. Honesty gets you screwed.

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