A sign of things to come

I can't wait! It's going to be so cool being able to switch to a different operating system instantly. Ever since Apple's Intel switch, they've made a lot of decisions I have been extremely happy with.

IMO, it's pretty useless... most who use OSX don't use MS. (to each it's own)

but, hand's down a great thing to add to the "CAN DO" list for Apple... this will definitely entice some switchers for them too. Quick seamless switch...

Being a competitive gamer and a computer technician, I would find it very useful, as would a lot of other people. I love OS X, especially because Darwin is BSD-based, but I need to be able to play my games like Counter-Strike: Source. I could also see a lot of other advantages to having both operating systems running at once, so I don't see how you think it's useless.

Has anyone found instructions on how to do this? I installed XP using boot camp, and downloaded parallels, but I can't get parallels to choose my already installed version of XP as the hard drive. Any links or tutorials would be great.

Cheers.

I would say it's pretty exciting! Technology is advancing every single day! That is a major reason why I am so involved in it. I think that the future lies in the hands of technology - it won't be long until we use it for everything!

Anyway, I noticed that the link to the movie ends in pt1, and it continues:

Pt2: http://www.deadculture.org/video/OSX_XP_pt2.mov

This isn't too impressive. Aside from the fact that it's running on dual screens, it's just like any other emulation software, like VMware. Nothing special. Of course, in our minds we think "wow it's cool how the mouse makes a transition from one OS to the other," but this isn't high tech or anything. It's like running vmware in windows, making it take up 50% of the screen. Put black tape in the middle of your monitor as a divider and be amazed at the "dual" windows/mac setup.

In fact I did this once within vmware and had a virtual machine maximized on some old spare monitor. The only difference was that I couldn't move the mouse from one screen to the other.

But either way, the two OS's are still essentially isolated, and even if the mouse can pass from one screen to another, files cannot. Once I see a document get dragged from OS X to Windows, both running live, I'll be in a state of awe...

But when Mac eventually runs windows apps, you can whipe Windows out of the equation.

Who says apple won't make it so you CAN move files from and to each operating system? I wouldn't be suprised if we will be able to run both operating systems at once with a lot of speed. Apple could make OS X use one core, and Windows use the second. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there already some new technology that allows you to have two Linux distrobutions running seperately on the same machine without emulation?

Here's a fun video of the OS mash-up with a mash-up soundtrack of "Switch" (appropriate for many reasons, no?)

I'd rather buy another hard drive and put another OS on that rather than run the other OS with half the memory and CPU speed.

But the 'Red Box' idea from the rhapsody days is still a good one to me. I understand that it would be illegal for Apple to use XP's api BUT imagine if you had XP on your hard drive and OS X could somehow use the legally installed Windows partition's API without running XP itself to run Windows apps. OS X can read ntsf and Apple already has software to partition the hard drive to make room for Windows... perhaps they are field testing Leopard tools?

I hope Apple really is working on some type of vitualization without using a 'virtual machine'. I think that is the future, not this type of approach that has been used by Microsoft since 1997 with Virtual PC. This Parallels stuff is not news worthy to me.

Has anyone found instructions on how to do this? I installed XP using boot camp, and downloaded parallels, but I can't get parallels to choose my already installed version of XP as the hard drive.

If Parallels is anything like VM Ware (and it probably is), then it probably can't make use of an OS on another partition. Rather, you have to install another copy into a container file on your OS X partition (it acts as a sort of "virtual partition"). If it were possible to boot a copy of WXP from an NTFS or FAT32 partition, though, that would be the best of both worlds.

In any case, virtualization never held much interest for me, outside of the novelty factor. You know what'll really get me excited: when Apple releases OS X for generic x86.

(Note: Don't get me wong: I own a 20" Intel iMac, and plan to get a tablet when Apple releases one. What I'm more interested in is the impact such a development will have on the computing landscape, and even society in general.)

i think its cool. More power too us and apple. Not really for microsoft though

Oh what fun. Soon I'll be able to watch my Windows directories getting cluttered with .DS_Store and ._.Trashes files...

Quite a few people are asking whats the point of this - for those who need to ask then there probably isn't much point for them, which is absolutely fine.

For myself, I *hate* Windows, for so many reasons, however one application that I need to use for about 80% of every day is Visual Studio 2005. I've found Parallels to be fantastic - I maximise the VS.NET window in windows, and then I've essentially got VS running in a window in OS X. I can then use OS X for everything else - even testing and debugging (we do web apps in ASP.NET) from Firefox/Safari etc.

If I had to do everything in Windows such as iTunes, email, testing etc I would go crazy.

For gaming, I can't see how this would be much use, boot camp with dual booting would be a better option.

Thats good to know since all I want in Windows is VS 2005.

My MacBook should be fine for it (when it arrives)

But when Mac eventually runs windows apps, you can whipe Windows out of the equation.

sort of off topic, but think it'll ever happen? That would be the ultimate Mac computing experience... everything you have to have in Windows on a Mac plus a Mac! Definitely newsworthy...

In reply to xVariable about vmware.

VMware can boot native partitions too. That's not always a good idea, but i can be done. I used to do this 5 years ago, having vmware installed in windows and booting an existing linux install from within vmware. Made a complete chaos of my install, but that's beside the point.

cheers!!

:-)

i think its cool. More power too us and apple. Not really for microsoft though

Microsoft benefits from this too. How? Because every time someone uses this type of software, they have to have a copy of Windows. Legally, they have to buy a copy, although I'm sure some will use pirated copies.

This isn't too impressive.

 

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But either way, the two OS's are still essentially isolated, and even if the mouse can pass from one screen to another, files cannot. Once I see a document get dragged from OS X to Windows, both running live, I'll be in a state of awe...

 

But when Mac eventually runs windows apps, you can whipe Windows out of the equation.

Well, Parallels is not much different from Virtual PC. And you can drag files from windows to OS X and from OS X to Windows (and cut, copy and paste some stuff too). Ah yes, there is no universal VPC just yet.

Anyway Parallels is a virtual machine, it runs on top of OS X, I don't see how this can be called "running at full speed".

It will never be running at full speed because running both operating systems will take up the resources they need. Depending on how much CPU power and RAM you have, it could probably seem like it's at full speed. I could imagine having 2xFX-62 processors (2 cores for each OS), 4 gigs of RAM (2 gigs per OS), and then like dual X1900XTX video cards (1 per OS). If you can/could dedicate the hardware that way, it would be pretty damn fast.

i have seen such thing live a couple weeks ago when "yeda" (the israely representive of apple) showcased the new line of macs on my university campus...

they showed us just how this thing works... and it was amazing to see how incredibly fast it is... it was working at nearly native speed...

it's quite amazing... unfourtunatly it wont be a free service... but still it's a great one...

I can say this about this trend, as a Public School Technology Coordinator, I am more interested in getting OS X running on my PC's (Dell, HP, Acer, Toshiba etc) than I would about buying the more expensive Mac's to run XP.

If I want XP, I'll buy the less expensive hardware to run it on

If I want OS X, I'll buy a FEW Macs for specific educational needs like Digtal Media, and Video Production.

If I want BOTH on the same machine, I'll wait a little longer until they can both run on the less expensive hardware. Unless of course everyone wants to pay an extra 20% on their property taxes so I can afford a 100% Macintosh School District.

Oh what fun. Soon I'll be able to watch my Windows directories getting cluttered with .DS_Store and ._.Trashes files...

That was pretty funny metro... made my day.

I think is emulation no pararlel!!

I wan to see win runnig cs strike then switch to mac runnig wow!!!

what we see is just user switching while on other accoun t windows is runnig in emulation/fullscreen