harper Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 How long do you think before either... somebody here can make a Mac OS X DVD which installs as simple as Windows or Apple do the smart thing and release one themselves?? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9591-how-long-before/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexaltair2 Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 omg, dude. It is the Windoze installation complicated not OSX! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9591-how-long-before/#findComment-59834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
harper Posted February 21, 2006 Author Share Posted February 21, 2006 oh come on! windows is a doddle to install and recognises all my hardware and devices out of the box. installin mac x86 format the whole disk, then install it, if youre lucky you get to a desktop. it probably wont be much greater than 1024x768 and if youre on a widescreen display youve got no chance of gettin 1280x800 etc. and dont hold your breath for sound or networking! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9591-how-long-before/#findComment-60093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlyboy Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Actually bro windows is quite {censored} really it doesnt even have a sata driver for install nor does it have a driver for hda audio lol quite poor really Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9591-how-long-before/#findComment-60100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metrogirl Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 I must have installed a large number of XP systems by now. First thing I do after getting that now-boring green hill desktop is to install the chipset driver, (reboot), the video driver, (reboot), the lan driver, (reboot), the sound driver, (reboot), the firewire driver, (reboot), the power management driver, (reboot), the raid console driver... and WTF is that unknown device still showing? Oh, probably some video capture driver needed, where's that CD?... bah. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9591-how-long-before/#findComment-60106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrana Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 So is this flamebait or are you serious? It'll never be 'easy' unless you buy a Mac. I mean, it is intended to run on a very specific hardware set. However, to me, OS X is a much easier install on a Mac than XP is on any PC out there. Even if both had a specific hardware set to support, I think the OS X setup is a bit more user friendly. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9591-how-long-before/#findComment-60108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampTK Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Windows installation, for the standard user, is difficult, almost traumatic, they don't like typing things and pressing keys on a text installation (until configuration comes), OS X installation is great, a lot of options, GUI from the start, Utilities. If your hardware doesn't work or you need to do a lot stuff to make it work thats not because someone made faulty patch, or because OS X sucks, thats because it OS X was designed for Macs, not your pc (obvious, but looks you forgot) people is working to make drivers for some of the unsupported hardware, but is hard work (hacking OS X is hard work too) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9591-how-long-before/#findComment-60117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtraa Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Hmm, I think Harper is right. Of course it is difficult. And - it is possible to make a 10.4.4. DVD that boots, because Maxxuss used the Darwin installer. Of course it does not make sense to compare the ease of installation between a Windows XP and a hacked OSX, that wasn't made to run on main PCs. But atm. If we are talking about the hacked OS and Windows, it is far more difficult to install OSX. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9591-how-long-before/#findComment-60187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackentangled Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 How long do you think before either... somebody here can make a Mac OS X DVD which installs as simple as Windows or Apple do the smart thing and release one themselves?? ...but none of you answered his question yet... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9591-how-long-before/#findComment-60205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtraa Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 ...but none of you answered his question yet... As much as I understand this, we would have to make two versions. One for Intel and one for AMD, because AMD requires an extra patching, and you can't make this selectable on a dvd. We would hav to take a bootable sse2 patched 10.4.3 DVD, readwrite mount it, and then replace the whole content with the ppf-patched content of 10.4.4. For AMD the same, but with the prepatched content of an also amd patched 10.4.4. After that, just run ppf-o-matic full distri, to compate the original unpatched 10.4.4 with the new bootable 10.4.4, and create a ppf patch for both versions. I don't know how large the bootloader etc is, and how large the patch would be, but I think this would be the way to go. Ah yes, xtools and some language packages would have to be removed from the content, to make it fit on a DVD. Also, You would have to resize the partition and the imagesize. (I don't know how exactly the syntax is) How long? If it works, a few hours plus upload depending on the size another few hours maybe. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9591-how-long-before/#findComment-60213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackentangled Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 xtraa, you mean to say you're working on it? coz that would be so cool and i'm ready to test it... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9591-how-long-before/#findComment-60219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtraa Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 xtraa, you mean to say you're working on it? coz that would be so cool and i'm ready to test it... No, 'working' is too much said... but I am checking out, if it will be bootable that way, first. Good thing is, that I can skip the resize steb, because it will be on a 10.4.3 sized DVD. To make it for every feature would take definately more time, so I would just take the "prepatched for all" files, instead of making 20 versions. and then put the othe kernels in a folder named patches. Just like JaS did. It is a very convenient way from maxxuss. I mean, just combine the patches you need and voilá... Really impressive! If I succeed I will let you know. No links of course here. But maybe JaS is working on this atm, too? Dunnow, lets see Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9591-how-long-before/#findComment-60235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampTK Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 If you do that xtraa, it would grate, it would make things easer for many people. It is a pain to install 10.4.4 right now. but he is talking (at least what I understood) about OSx86 in general (not only 10.4.4) when he says: oh come on! windows is a doddle to install and recognises all my hardware and devices out of the box. installin mac x86 format the whole disk, then install it, if youre lucky you get to a desktop. it probably wont be much greater than 1024x768 and if youre on a widescreen display youve got no chance of gettin 1280x800 etc. and dont hold your breath for sound or networking! and the hardware compatibility issues won't change, also it looks he have issues (as in he doesn't like it) with the installer on the DVD Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9591-how-long-before/#findComment-60248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
harper Posted February 22, 2006 Author Share Posted February 22, 2006 No no no, the Mac OS X installer is beautiful. The first thing what struck me from inserting this disk was how pleasant the installer is. I am of course talking about how difficult it is to currently make OSX work on x86 machines. Like has been mentioned in this post I think it is the lack of device support, but how difficult is is to make drivers for the OS? If Intel developer teams have done it to work with their chipsets I am sure there are lots of smart people here capable of it. Althought no doubt it is a very difficult and time consuming task. Ahhhh anyways, I am just dreaming of the day I can insert a OSX DVD into an x86 machine and have everything working. OSX truly is a beautiful and sophisticated operating system. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9591-how-long-before/#findComment-60539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
a8ne Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Just wait until the OP sees how long it takes to turn all the Vista annoyances off. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9591-how-long-before/#findComment-60543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourthletter Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 How long do you think before either... somebody here can make a Mac OS X DVD which installs as simple as Windows or Apple do the smart thing and release one themselves?? Well in answer to the original question I'd say very soon ! i did an install from a DLed DVD iso and i just had to install the sse2>3 patch and it works a treat on my laptop , im sure there will be torrents available for AMD iso's or Intel iso's very soon. Biggest issue with laptops is the lack of onboard wireless. As to when Apple will go mass market with OSX,probably some time next year when enough of us are running happily with osx on pc and all the new intel macs sales cant hope to fill the profit hole left from ipod capabilities being available on any mobile phone Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9591-how-long-before/#findComment-60567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtraa Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Hi, ok so althrough the current version is booting with the darwin bootmanager yet, it boots up with the new kernel, the new content and the new patched rosetta. But, It will kernelpanic. So It seems that it is not made for this. As I said, I replaced the whole content except the bootloader files of an early patched wesley DVD with 10.4.4. I took that instead of the JaS patched DVD, because the image is bigger, what means: more files from 10.4.4 will fit in the image. Resizing the disks makes them unbootable, here. The good thing is, that there are about 1GB of unuseful files, mainly the one that continue wit CD2, like the MS Office test version, iMovie etc. So place will not be the problem. I also don't know what would happen, if I spend hours to replace every patched version with the one inside the packages. But as long as it kernelpanics before it reaches the commandline with -s, I won't touch this. Tadaa: But I have a good idea (i think) There is maybe another way, we could look for: There is a CD around, called Tiger 911 rescue CD, it is about 560MB and unfortunately made for PPC. The hackers made a kind of mini-tiger, just with gui, finder and some recovery tools, like diskutility. So if it is possible to make a bootable Image on a 600MB Disk, we would have enough space left on the DVD, to start the Tiger installation from there. We would simply have to rebuild the CD content with a mini 10.4.3. Just an Idea. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9591-how-long-before/#findComment-60599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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