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if we are talking osx on the phone i am looking forward for this realease. People has made dreams come true on this forus/comunity and i think the iPhone is going to be a fu***ng good platform for funn. Think about it. OSX = unix. If the phone is based on this, the there is going to be a lot of cool moods i the future :) (Sory for the bad english) :lol:

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Someone\'s gonna put Linux on it within a couple weeks of release :gun:
Yeah, that\'s almost a given. But I really wanna see native apps implemented that could take advantage of OS X.

 

QUOTE(Jeezoflip @ Jan 13 2007, 04:43 PM) post_snapback.gifSo im not gonna install apps on there that may screw it up. I agree with jobs.

 

This is {censored}, it is like saying you need to close Macs to third party development because apps might stop you from sending email.

 

And err Bofors, I believe Jeezoflip was writing in the Extreme Sarcastic tense there. :D

 

Takuro, I know there is speculation that Apple is worried about VOIP access stealing away business from their cellular partners, but I believe Jobs has stated his own intentions to develop iPhone specific VOIP capabilities [MOAR contracts anyone?].

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I just read his post again and I still do not see any hints of sarcasm. Moreover, plenty of people around the net have been regurgitating this nonsense about third party apps crashing Cingular's network and such.

 

Oh gah, i phear it is fanboi bullshiit...

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Mr. Jobs is wrong, the last things I really want are companies telling me what I want. I definitely want to mod, customize my devices like the way I want to.

 

Then get a Sony Ericsson K750i :-) I think that must be the most hacked/tuned/modified phone on the market (yet). Some guys hacked even the camera driver providing extra functionality. And this isn't even a smartphone.

 

I like SE phones because the UI is more adaptable to ones taste then just merely changing a backgroung logo. Even cheaper models.

 

Anyway to stay on topic: Apple's iPhone being closed source. That was to be expected. If it's going to be as restrictive as iPod then I doubt it'll have any success at all.

 

But then who cares anyway? They already have legal battle going on over the name of this thing. What more can we expect before it's in the shops? I'm waiting for Bill to confront Steve with regards to the player being too much like the one in PPC-phones, whoehahaha :-)

 

I god, this is sooo funny. Big boys fighting over an Apple :-)

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I weep for the future.. It looks so simple: The evil of closed platforms & corporate control versus the good of openness & co-operative models..

In every sphere of life, this struggle continues.

The eyes of love see everyone as a potential partner and contributor, and want to move forward together to a bright new future. The eyes of fear & hate see everyone as a potential competitor & object of exploitation to serve private greed.

We the consumers, users and independent programmers have to walk the path to that future. As long as people truly believe in the hegemony of closed, corporate systems there is no evolutionary pressure for the megacorps to adopt open solutions.

 

So little was needed for Apple to have the courage to step the other way.

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I fear that Apple will put a load of security countermeasures to prevent hackers from easily getting access to boatloader, os, and running unsigned apps. Of course, this level of challenge would probably only attract even higher level hackers/crackers to the game so... :)

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I've been thinking about this, and I believe the most likely scenario to occur is similar to the iPod games, here is the reasoning that led me to this:

 

Apple will want to get a share of every app sold to the iPhone, this is one of the reasons why apps will be sold, and installed via iTunes

 

If Apple is going to get a slice of every app sold, and use their servers and bandwidth to distribute them, it's unlikely they will allow free/OSS programs to be distributed thru them, those will likely cannibalize on some of the paid ones too.

 

There will probably be hacks to install other apps on the iPhone, therefore allowing people to install apps that are free or at least don't pay to Apple, but if an SDK isn't released for anyone to use, there is no "problem" here, since no one could make the apps in the first place.

 

So chances are that Apple will only give the necessary tools to the developers they want, and accept to give apple a share, but if the SDK ends up in demonoid or somewhere like that, the above case returns, so don't expect small independent developers making stuff for the iPhone.

 

 

I hope I'm as wrong as possible. As I said before, I won't mind if apple screens the apps, and allow users to know which ones are approved, but let anyone make and install whatever they want never the less.

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I fear that Apple will put a load of security countermeasures to prevent hackers from easily getting access to boatloader, os, and running unsigned apps. Of course, this level of challenge would probably only attract even higher level hackers/crackers to the game so... :unsure:

 

I think this is the important question now.

 

What is actually going to stop people from developing software for the iPhone.

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This thing can't compete with the current Pocket PC, so I don't see any reason to add anyting more than what it was intedned to do.

 

I like:

 

* printing documents from my Pocket PC to a BT printer

* controlling my media players on both Mac and Windows PC

* using my GPS navigation system

* ripping my movies and storing hours of movies to watch on the plane

* HAVING 5 APPS OPEN AND TALKING WITH SOMEONE ON MY BT HEADSET

* working on MS Office suite without having to bring my notebook everywhere

* using Skype, MSN, Google, and Yahoo messenger

* creating personal themes

* WarDriving

* being able to play every codex available on a Mac and Windows PC

* using Opera to browse the net

* browsing the net on WiFi

 

I like my Pocket Celeron...

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I weep for the future.. It looks so simple: The evil of closed platforms & corporate control versus the good of openness & co-operative models..

In every sphere of life, this struggle continues.

The eyes of love see everyone as a potential partner and contributor, and want to move forward together to a bright new future. The eyes of fear & hate see everyone as a potential competitor & object of exploitation to serve private greed.

We the consumers, users and independent programmers have to walk the path to that future. As long as people truly believe in the hegemony of closed, corporate systems there is no evolutionary pressure for the megacorps to adopt open solutions.

 

So little was needed for Apple to have the courage to step the other way.

 

Hagar you're TOP ! Well spoken... We need to frame this and send it to Jobs as a users gift/present... :unsure:

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If Apple is going to get a slice of every app sold, and use their servers and bandwidth to distribute them, it's unlikely they will allow free/OSS programs to be distributed thru them, those will likely cannibalize some of the paid ones too.

 

I agree. They will never sign "OpenOffice for iPhone OSX" - lol.

 

And Apple have just turned into Sony - the battle between the hackers and the creators. And that battle sucks. My PSP is dull, because I am stuck between the choice of not upgrading and having cool stuff to do and download ISOs, or upgrade and get the latest features. And it sucks. The iPhone better not be like that, or it will be a big turnoff for me, eventhough I love the iPhone. At the moment anyway.

 

-tj

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I think what many people are failing to consider, here, is that a corporate environment is not conducive to a totally open platform. People make money out of selling software, even if some or 99% of it is based on free stuff. And of course, Steve and Apple are not going to be able to keep this a closed platform forever, but you'd have to be crazy to think this will be a closed platform forever. Guys, it's OS X. It's got ports, pins, wireless and input. It can be hacked.

 

The point of this device is not its name. It's not its interface, no matter how slick. It's not even about the software that runs it. What it's about is being the first carefully thought-out smartphone. Yes, many companies have powerful palmtops, and the Celeron thing is cool. But, as p.o.'ed owner of a Palm 700p that consistently fails to perform as advertised, I don't really give a flying monkey's butt that I can't immediately go and download Myst onto it.

 

Of course I want to be able to do some cool stuff with it that isn't mentioned in Jobs' dog 'n pony show, nor on Apple's website. But I know that somehow there's a way to do it, even from the beginning. And you bet it's not going to suck like made-from-cardboard-n-ducktape Windows or old-n-funky Palm, or super-boring BREW.

 

:-)

 

P.S. - I'm not critiquing crazy people - officially, I am one.

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This thing can't compete with the current Pocket PC, so I don't see any reason to add anyting more than what it was intedned to do.

 

I like:

 

* printing documents from my Pocket PC to a BT printer

* controlling my media players on both Mac and Windows PC

* using my GPS navigation system

* ripping my movies and storing hours of movies to watch on the plane

* HAVING 5 APPS OPEN AND TALKING WITH SOMEONE ON MY BT HEADSET

* working on MS Office suite without having to bring my notebook everywhere

* using Skype, MSN, Google, and Yahoo messenger

* creating personal themes

* WarDriving

* being able to play every codex available on a Mac and Windows PC

* using Opera to browse the net

* browsing the net on WiFi

 

I like my Pocket Celeron...

 

This is exactly why I feel Jobs is making the most retarded "business decision" ever made. The iPhone has the potential to kick Palm and PPC's asses. Making this a closed platform by charging all developers royalties, screening all apps, and possibly even not releasing a free SDK will not make it happen. And network locking the damn thing to Cingular is helping them either...

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Maybe the next generation iPods will be more like a hackable, programmable Pocket Mac. Currently, the Phone part is my least favorite 1/3. I like the Video iPod and Internet/WiFi features better. After all, who doesn't have a device to make cell phone calls these days? So I am hoping a full fledged WiFi Video iPod will come out at the same time of the iPhone. That's my wish. Hopefully, Apple won't bank on the phone alone and keep updating it's existing iPod line. Otherwise, it would really hurt itself. People might not buy anything for another six months just waiting to see what is around the corner. I haven't bought a video iPod for myself yet. The phone might be it, or it could be the next large iPod. Who knows? I am in holding pattern 'til then.

 

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More whining? I am beginning to think Insanelymac.com is become Apple Whiners Anonymous. :pirate2:

 

 

It doesn't say you CAN'T make 3rd party stuff, just they will make sure it doesn't f*** up the phone. The iPhone will have to be stable enough that Cingular can and will support it when things go wrong. Can you really ask Cingular to support you when you are stupid and put apps you have no clue that work and crash it? NO!! :thumbsdown_anim: I think it is fine if apps/widgets are made, submitted and checked to make sure they WORK, then when they do they are released. Not to much ask for if you ask me. This will make it to where the apps/widgets you can get "officially" are secure and IF they do hose your iPhone, then Cingular AND Apple have to support you. DUH!

 

Now you all know, third part apps/widgets will be hacked on the damn thing, so quit bitching. It will happen, but don't expect companies to replace or repair your phone when a non supported app/wideget hoses it. I don't blame Jobs on this decision. The platform needs to be secure and at the same time allow others to develop for it. This thing is a PHONE and a iPod first, the other stuff is nice but this OSX on this is STRIPPED DOWN, so you shouldn't expect a Mac in your hands. I hear all this {censored} on Pocket PC, well I have used a few of them and they suck. I never liked it and I have seen the apps you can put on it and many make the damn thing unstable. Is this what you want? If you do then get a Pocket PC.

 

I think it boils down to many want all this "freedom" but also want Apple and Cingular to support them like it was a Mac, well forget it. Apple can do it with their machines, but no cell carrier will and that is life.

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http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/4351

http://timesonline.typepad.com/technology/..._.html#comments

http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/macword/20...hands/index.php

 

Some more interesting comments about the iPhone. Good or Bad. The iPhone will be a statement all by itself. Unfortunately, I am still riding the fence on this one. I have a phone that works good. It's not as good as a smart phone. Do I need a smart phone? I would like a Video/Music Player, but the more I think about it. Is 4 to 8GB going to get a on my nerves? Yes, I want to download my latest shows, but now i have to decide between 10,000 songs or a few hours worth of play it once video. Hehe I just might wait and get a 5G iPod. But I would hate to get one now and see the next iPods for next year and say, Darn, I should of got that instead. I suppose we will always have disposable players, but I would like to spend my money once and have it be worth something, not just another throw away item 1-2 years down the road. I do hope Apple does come out with a geek PocketMac in addition to the iPhone. OSx86 PocketPCs look tempting and Apple could really make a PocketPC fly as a Mac! I just hope they don't sink too much into the iPhone and forget about other computing possibilities like a WiFi PocketMac (that has Xcode development too).

 

Apple: Please put a standard mini USB plug on the phone. Do you really want the consumers to carry around an iPod charging cable in that little pocket of theirs? Every new cell phone has a standard mini USB jack, so the user just has to have access to one instead of an proprietary iPod charger or docking station.

 

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