AudioGod Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share Posted February 19, 2020 35 minutes ago, Tiem said: I never said I didn't agree with it. All I said, was from a technical perspective, there's no reason it should be any different. All good if you want to say we don't know why it works but it works. But I'm not down with saying the 4x lane makes a lick of difference or the card belongs there. It does not. It’s not what you say it’s the way you say it. It comes across completely rude and like your talking down to people. Maybe you don’t mean it and maybe your a nice guy in the real world who knows just try and tone it down or read through what people are trying to explain or say before you load your guns and fire that’s all. I don’t need to even get involved to start with as I use a completely different native card, motherboard etc etc to most of you but since I have a T919 sitting here along with a bunch of other cards boards cpus and whatever else you can think of component wise I thought I would slap it in and see for myself and I can’t help it if when I put it into the lowest slot it worked better then where I tried it on my system before so I had to agree with somebody else findings that then doesn’t give you the right to jump in and slam everybody and tell us placebo placebo and that we are wrong, tripping or imagining thing or whatever you wanna call it. That’s when it all goes sideways my son. Let’s put an end to it now and just move on but as you can see most people are taking the same stance as me so maybe just maybe you should sit back and soak that in and think about it and also on how you conduct yourself in future even if you meant nothing by it in the first place. Peace out homeboy and all good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiem Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 52 minutes ago, AudioGod said: It’s not what you say it’s the way you say it. Fair enough. Don't take it personally. I have Aspergers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larabee Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiem said: Fair enough. Don't take it personally. I have Aspergers. Then communication training and behavioral therapy can help people with the syndrome learn to socialize more successfully. Good luck daughter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSaF Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I had the T919 from Sierra to H/Sierra in a GA-Z87X-OC Force board, that thing worked flawless OOB until I upgraded to a Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI board - Oh it worked alright but I noticed it would connect and then lose connection and would be forever hunting for connection. Wake from sleep was a nightmare, wifi would be non existent after wake. Not being patient the best of times and trying to preserve the few strands of hair left on top, I ripped it out and bought a genuine Apple BT/WIFI card with a PCIE adapter (Bit Pricey) and never looked back. Still have the T919 along with other bits in a box. IMHO the Z390 Chip is very problematic compared to predecessors, I am just grateful for pioneers (In my Eyes) for people like Glasgood, MaLd0n and Auidigod because without their help I'd be still faffing around trying to install on the Z390. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieroman Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, AudioGod said: Awesome bud, thanks for letting me know. take your hack on a boot cycle including flicking back and forth from windows to cat and see what happens. do like a cycle of at least 20 restarts and cold boots or many more if you can handle the boredom of doing that? when I’m testing for that sort of failure I tend to do over 50 cycles before I’m convinced it’s gonna hold true. do keep me posted and if it works well for you and a few others il integrate it into the next update. Good stuff buddy thank you. I won't have the time to do that sort of intense testing in one go but I'm fine with doing a few restarts every day, so I'll reach these sort of numbers in a few weeks I'll report then. About the whole Fenvi / PCI lane business, the fact that due lane/chipset configuration we should not see any difference doesn't mean that we won't see any difference... Remember that we are talking about a shoddy knockoff wireless card being installed in a device full of sensitive electronics. It could very well be a problem of radio interference between the card and the rest of the computer that depends on the physical location of the card. It's for example well known that bluetooth messes up with USB 3. Edited February 19, 2020 by Pieroman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudioGod Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share Posted February 19, 2020 8 hours ago, Tiem said: Fair enough. Don't take it personally. I have Aspergers. All good Pal, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Nicholson Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) I am going to keep playing with it, I do think that a Genuine Apple Card would be more consistent. I'm not sure if my card is being inconsistent or my wifi, I am tempted to upgrade my ariels to a name brand but not sure what DB to get. However my systems USB's keep turning off after about 20minutes of use, not sure if my MB is screwed This picture tells me there has been a improvement Edited February 19, 2020 by Cameron Nicholson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudioGod Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share Posted February 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, Cameron Nicholson said: I am going to keep playing with it, I do think that a Genuine Apple Card would be more consistent. I'm not sure if my card is being inconsistent or my wifi, I am tempted to upgrade my ariels to a name brand but not sure what DB to get. However my systems USB's keep turning off after about 20minutes of use, not sure if my MB is screwed This picture tells me there has been a improvement @larabee any ideas about this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stavidawg Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Cameron Nicholson said: I am going to keep playing with it, I do think that a Genuine Apple Card would be more consistent. I'm not sure if my card is being inconsistent or my wifi, I am tempted to upgrade my ariels to a name brand but not sure what DB to get. However my systems USB's keep turning off after about 20minutes of use, not sure if my MB is screwed This picture tells me there has been a improvement Just curious. When you find your speeds are affected, does it occur after your computer has only been through a "sleep" cycle? I use a native Apple Card, BCM943602CS, and find that after my computer goes to sleep and wakes up, my internet goes to garbage (goes from 225mb/sec to 0.70mb/sec.). Why this occurs, I do not know, but I just set my computer to never sleep to prevent it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larabee Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 10 hours ago, AudioGod said: @larabee any ideas about this one? Looks like Power Management is screwed up somewhere. Should clear BIOS and double check again. I would not trust Fenvi at all, should try with another card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiem Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, larabee said: Then communication training and behavioral therapy can help people with the syndrome learn to socialize more successfully. Good luck daughter. Thanks I like the way I am Beta 2 working fine so far: Edited February 19, 2020 by Tiem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Nicholson Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 14 hours ago, stavidawg said: Just curious. When you find your speeds are affected, does it occur after your computer has only been through a "sleep" cycle? I use a native Apple Card, BCM943602CS, and find that after my computer goes to sleep and wakes up, my internet goes to garbage (goes from 225mb/sec to 0.70mb/sec.). Why this occurs, I do not know, but I just set my computer to never sleep to prevent it. I have sleep disabled, if it doesn't work straight away I disable it, I shut down my hack before bed and it gets turned on after work or in the morning on weekends, the minimal power saving and component degradation of not having sleep isn't worth my time fixing IMHO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabe.p Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 On 2/19/2020 at 8:50 AM, stavidawg said: Just curious. When you find your speeds are affected, does it occur after your computer has only been through a "sleep" cycle? I use a native Apple Card, BCM943602CS, and find that after my computer goes to sleep and wakes up, my internet goes to garbage (goes from 225mb/sec to 0.70mb/sec.). Why this occurs, I do not know, but I just set my computer to never sleep to prevent it. disable Wake for Network Access in the energy saver settings and try your speeds after waking from sleep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizeMan Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) So I have been experimenting with darkwake values on my Aorus z390 Pro build for the past couple of weeks, because I started noticing that USB drives were reported as force-ejected upon wake. I would like to share with you guys (and possibly gals - but the chances are low ) You can see all the available flags here: https://github.com/apple/darwin-xnu/blob/a449c6a3b8014d9406c2ddbdc81795da24aa7443/iokit/Kernel/IOPMrootDomain.cpp#L309 enum { kDarkWakeFlagHIDTickleEarly = 0x01, // hid tickle before gfx suppression kDarkWakeFlagHIDTickleLate = 0x02, // hid tickle after gfx suppression kDarkWakeFlagHIDTickleNone = 0x03, // hid tickle is not posted kDarkWakeFlagHIDTickleMask = 0x03, kDarkWakeFlagAlarmIsDark = 0x0100, kDarkWakeFlagGraphicsPowerState1 = 0x0200, kDarkWakeFlagAudioNotSuppressed = 0x0400 }; The default flag set by the kernel is 3 as you can see here: https://github.com/apple/darwin-xnu/blob/a449c6a3b8014d9406c2ddbdc81795da24aa7443/iokit/Kernel/IOPMrootDomain.cpp#L337 static uint32_t gDarkWakeFlags = kDarkWakeFlagHIDTickleNone; So removing the darkwake boot argument lets the kernel to default on value 3 which to be honest up until now is the best performing darkwake value according to my tests: - My machine does not instant wake from sleep by itself. - My machine does not force eject the USB drives when falling asleep. [UPDATE:] Oh crabs. after a week it started doing it again. Resorting to darkwake=0 for now. - Dark wakes for mail check, Mac App Store updates etc work properly (The motherboard's LEDs light up and the fans start spinning without the monitor waking up) and then it goes to sleep again, turning off the motherboard's LEDs and all fans. The only con that this setup has (as I have previously reported) is that it takes a bit longer and a bit more tickling of the mouse or keyboard to wake up the machine. But it actually wakes up, also unlocks with my watch and there is no report of USB drives force ejected. Edited February 26, 2020 by WizeMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudioGod Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, WizeMan said: So I have been experimenting with darkwake values on my Aorus z390 Pro build for the past couple of weeks, because I started noticing that USB drives were reported as force-ejected upon wake. I would like to share with you guys (and possibly gals - but the chances are low ) You can see all the available flags here: https://github.com/apple/darwin-xnu/blob/a449c6a3b8014d9406c2ddbdc81795da24aa7443/iokit/Kernel/IOPMrootDomain.cpp#L309 enum { kDarkWakeFlagHIDTickleEarly = 0x01, // hid tickle before gfx suppression kDarkWakeFlagHIDTickleLate = 0x02, // hid tickle after gfx suppression kDarkWakeFlagHIDTickleNone = 0x03, // hid tickle is not posted kDarkWakeFlagHIDTickleMask = 0x03, kDarkWakeFlagAlarmIsDark = 0x0100, kDarkWakeFlagGraphicsPowerState1 = 0x0200, kDarkWakeFlagAudioNotSuppressed = 0x0400 }; The default flag set by the kernel is 3 as you can see here: https://github.com/apple/darwin-xnu/blob/a449c6a3b8014d9406c2ddbdc81795da24aa7443/iokit/Kernel/IOPMrootDomain.cpp#L337 static uint32_t gDarkWakeFlags = kDarkWakeFlagHIDTickleNone; So removing the darkwake boot argument lets the kernel to default on value 3 which to be honest up until now is the best performing darkwake value according to my tests: - My machine does not instant wake from sleep by itself. - My machine does not force eject the USB drives when falling asleep. - Dark wakes for mail check, Mac App Store updates etc work properly (The motherboard's LEDs light up and the fans start spinning without the monitor waking up) and then it goes to sleep again, turning off the motherboard's LEDs and all fans. The only con that this setup has (as I have previously reported) is that it takes a bit longer and a bit more tickling of the mouse or keyboard to wake up the machine. But it actually wakes up, also unlocks with my watch and there is no report of USB drives force ejected. Interesting stuff bro thanks for that. i use darkwake=0 on the master and my system behaves how it should and always has tbh but that’s fascinating stuff, when I was using the t919 testing it for you lot I did notice that sleep was messing around like I mentioned to you before but using my native card I get non of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Nicholson Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 @AudioGod what sort of benchmarks do you get with your stock 9900K? Mine have dropped - Geekbench 4 multiscore 3690 Cinebench r15 - 1976 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudioGod Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Cameron Nicholson said: @AudioGod what sort of benchmarks do you get with your stock 9900K? Mine have dropped - Geekbench 4 multiscore 3690 Cinebench r15 - 1976 I don’t run at stock I run @5.2ghz cc@4.7 My current scores are on my z390 master thread Edited February 21, 2020 by AudioGod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Nicholson Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, AudioGod said: I don’t run at stock I run @5.2ghz cc@4.7 My current scores are on my z390 master thread So mine look OK to you, I used to get 38357 in Geekbench at stock Edited February 21, 2020 by Cameron Nicholson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudioGod Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Cameron Nicholson said: So mine look OK to you, I used to get 38357 in Geekbench at stock Yeah just going by your cinibench score your right in the Sweet spot of where you should be at stock buddy. (Take geekbench with a pinch of salt as it never scores the same score twice and is abit all over the place) where are your temps maxing out too at stock and what’s your cooling system? (I’m just being nosey) Edited February 21, 2020 by AudioGod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Nicholson Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, AudioGod said: Yeah just going by your cinibench score your right in the Sweet spot of where you should be at stock buddy. where are your temps maxing out too at stock and what’s your cooling system? (I’m just being nosey) Ok cool, I'm at 83c running Cinebench r15, I have quite an aggressive fan curve with my H150I, I was expecting cooler so I may upgrade the fans and re thermal paste the CPU at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudioGod Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Cameron Nicholson said: Ok cool, I'm at 83c running Cinebench r15, I have quite an aggressive fan curve with my H150I, I was expecting cooler so I may upgrade the fans and re thermal paste the CPU at some point If you can tell me the SKU of your 9900k I can tell you if it’s a good bit of silicone or not? tbh that’s about right temps wise for your average 9900k, the real tell tell of how good it is would be to get a reading or the amps and watts being pulled from the system from the cpu while running say small ffts in prime 95 (custom 12 12) Edited February 21, 2020 by AudioGod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Nicholson Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, AudioGod said: If you can tell me the SKU of your 9900k I can tell you if it’s a good bit of silicone or not? tbh that’s about right temps wise for your average 9900k, the real tell tell of how good it is would be to get a reading or the amps and watts being pulled from the system while running say small ffts in prime 95 (custom 12 12) How do I find the SKU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudioGod Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cameron Nicholson said: How do I find the SKU? It’s on the ihs heres an example SRELS is the SKU give me a power reading instead like I described and I can tell you that way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Nicholson Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, AudioGod said: It’s on the ihs heres an example SRELS is the SKU give me a power reading instead like I described and I can tell you that way? I would have to re setup windows, my pc is hack only these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudioGod Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cameron Nicholson said: I would have to re setup windows, my pc is hack only these days Don’t bother buddy, I’m only being the nosey nerd that I am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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