NVIDIA G80 initial pictures released

[bwhsh8r]

Did you even bother to read my post? That this is a Prototype??! My god, you folks know nothing of computers and computer gaming.

 

 

Lol yep, and its not like that you nececarely need this card, you can sli or soon quad sli cards any way. Im also sure that they will figure out how to get the requirements down by the final release... dev cards are teh equivilent of alphas and betas in os's, they are no where near ready, just the basis showing what they did right and what they need fixed.

 

 

oh, and sandmanfvrga , this is what my dad says "if Linux was as good an os as Windows, then wouldnt oem flock to it? OEM's have to pay $125 a copy to microsoft, so wouldnt you think that if linux is anywhere near as good and as functional as windows they would flock to that since theyd have the license fee waved etc?" and I think thats quite logical actually... but this gpu will not kill windows gaming, or anything of the sort, it might teach nVidia/Ati a lession, but it will not harm anything, or change ne thing....

 

max

[sandmanfvrga]

I agree. I just included Linux in there for the Linux fans, I hate Linux and it is no where near as polished as OSX. Had that arguement in the *nix forum.

 

Yeah the card won't kill gaming, but it and all cards like it will hurt pc gaming and probably start a SLOW death of pc gaming.

[The Doc]

You're wrong Sandman. Completely wrong. What will kill PC gaming is not the hardware. Hell if the trend continues, the hardware will push PC gaming beyond the realm of the consoles, and usher in true VR, almost like the Matrix in ways, minus the evil machines using us as Duracels.

 

What will kill PC Gaming? The giant, blabblering, slavering Hutts called Publishers. Publishers like Microsoft, EA, Sierrra Entertainment/Vivendi Universal, Acitivision. THEY will be the death of the gaming industry if they're not curbed. Not this card. If it wasn't for the PC pushing the way, we'd still be stuck with the Playstation 1, Dreamcast(which kicked ass), and the Nintendo 64. People saw what the PC was getting with Hi-Res games, Hi-Res sound, great graphics, and began wanting it on their consoles.

 

I'm in college for game design, and am in the process of starting up a gaming studio. Hardware is our best friend. The Publisher is our Hitler.

[sandmanfvrga]

Holy hell, I agree with ya, mostly. Yes, EA is one of the worst. Publishers have hurt many games. Many don't know Halo had the covenant energy sword and other dinosaur like creatures that were SUPPOSE to be in the game. I know, I saw a video many years ago. Why was it NOT in the game? Microsoft rushes Bungie. I don't remember where I saw this, but I know others that read it to; but I read that the Console Industries is over $10 billion in revenue (sales or whatever) and the PC Gaming Industries has dropped BELOW $1 billion. Why? Publishers have ruined the games mostly, BUT Nvidia and ATI (Nvidia especially) are to damn stupid to QUIT putting so many cards out. I remember the Voodoo and TNT2 cards are rivals. Then it was the Geforce 2 cards . Then nvidia put the Geforce 3 cards, suppose to be the motherload of all cards, well the stupid company turns right around and releases the Geforce 4's. They ruled for a while, but the people who bought the 3's were screwed and had to buy again. Bad business practices there. Then the 5000's came out and were the end all and I remember watching a vid only about how powerful they were, well Nvidia does it again and puts out the 6000 line, so the 5000 buyers are screwed AGAIN. Now they don't even let the damn 6000 line go for a few years and the 7000's are out and SLI goes rampant. So no, The Doc, hardware isn't always your friend when the f***ing companys keep changing and make it harder for the common consumer to keep up. I know, I am system administrator and have been in computers for along time (read in to that BEFORE windows). Publishers are bad and so are the damn graphics card makers.

[The Doc]

Here's what your failing to see, is the the API's that are behind the cards. For years, we had content(graphics related) that was restricted to only ONE type of card: Those based on Glide, 3DFX's custom API. If you had a non 3DFX card, you got none of that. If you have an ATI or Nvidia card, or heavens forbid a card made by Jaton, chances are you'd get jack for graphics. OpenGL was still in its infancy with games, and frankly DirectX was a non-factor. Direct X could barely handle 3D at the time, while Glide was crankin out superb stuff.

 

Enter the The End of Voodoo: 3DFX made some horrible choices, like deciding to build their own cards, market them, and not allow anyone else to make Voodoo based cards anymore, and then they began making HORRIBLE products. Remember the Voodoo4/5/6? Each and every one of them was spanked hardcore by both ATI and nVidia cards. However, when nVidia bought 3DFX, its tech labs, and all of its Patents, I knew something big was headed for us in the years to come.

 

With the advances of Direct X, games got better, the graphical contents were standardized, and new features were added. By 2002, with the advent of the GeForce 4, games were looking their best, and had surpassed the consoles by a massively wide margin. By 2005, when the XBOX360 was introduced, the PC still enjoyed a wide margin on the much hyped "Hi-Def Gaming" shtuff. With Direct X 10 just around the corner, you're gonna see some wicked stuff start comin down.

 

Part of the reason that the vid cards have gone wacky lately, is look at the rest of the computer industry. Speed, speed, speed, speed, speed. No one has been concerned with power consumption, heat generation, or Processor effeciency. Now all of a sudden those things have taken precedence. Why? No one wants to use their computer as a portable stove, or have it draw more power than the Dishwasher, Dryer, Stove, Fridge and Washer combined. This card, what will be made into the GeForce 8 series will under go massive changes before its ready for launch.

 

And your figures are a bit off. They lump both the PC and Console markets together as the "Gaming Industry". At least Forbes and a few others do that. Here's the rub for the PC: MMO's have taken over. While it may be a good money maker for the studios, it puts undo stress on the rest of the market. And here's another thing... Multiplayer on the console will never match the size, scope, and intensity of PC multiplayer. Not when you have to pay for ANOTHER online service on the consoles, JUST TO PLAY ONLINE. Not so with the PC. If I go out and by Quake 4 for my PC, I can install it, and go play it online now. I don;t have pay for XCrap Live, or Sony's NON-Existent Online service, and then connect. I don't mind paying $30 to $40 a month for my internet... but when I have to add $15 for Xcrap live, and ANOTHER $15 for an MMO fee, plus $40 every six months for "expansions" (see the expensive way of making patches for games), thats when it doesn't seem worth it. As it is with the above figure, spending $70 a month JUST to play a damned game? Screw that, I'll go on my PC thankyouverymuch!

 

The good thing about the video cards, is that they are at least good for 18 months. My GeForce 6800GT is 16 months old, and plays EVERY GAME ON THE SHELVES RIGHT NOW at Hi-res's, with most, if not all the options on high. What helps is I have a decent processor, ram, and mobo. I was amazed when I updated my drivers to the very latest, Oblivion gained nearly 15 to 20 fps. While my card can't do HDR Lighting with full screen AA, it can still do Bloom Lighting and AA. And with that, the game is stil as beautiful as the screen shots.

 

I repeat my earlier statements. This card WILL NOT KILL PC GAMING! People losing faith in the industry, not creating games, not buying games will kill it. If the Publisher's don't get to it before hand!!!

[sandmanfvrga]

I knew that history, thanks. Go and research some numbers, the PC gaming industries is going down. Publishers are to blame and so is hardware is to blame. No offense, don't be so narrow minded.

[bwhsh8r]

I knew that history, thanks. Go and research some numbers, the PC gaming industries is going down. Publishers are to blame and so is hardware is to blame. No offense, don't be so narrow minded.

 

 

yes and no, see, pc gaming will always be one step ahead (or more) than consoles... consoles by the time they are released are just semi powerful, and they go down from there, because as a new tecnology is found and made, you can just pop it in ur pc and go, but with consoles they have to wait until the system is throughly obsolete... so consoles will always be behind pc's... that and, games are designed on a pc so that always makes them have the upperhand as well...

[The Doc]

yes and no, see, pc gaming will always be one step ahead (or more) than consoles... consoles by the time they are released are just semi powerful, and they go down from there, because as a new tecnology is found and made, you can just pop it in ur pc and go, but with consoles they have to wait until the system is throughly obsolete... so consoles will always be behind pc's... that and, games are designed on a pc so that always makes them have the upperhand as well...

 

 

Thanks for backing me up there

 

PC gaming has been going on for almost 30 years now, and I highly doubt its gonna die anytime soon. Thats like saying Intel's Quad Core chip will kill the computer market if it has some high specs. Yeah the nVidia card is thuroughly JUICED, but hell, look at the bulky retard of an OS interface its being built to run! I mean the Aero-Glass interface can bring anything but a 7800GTX to its knees when run with all the bells and whistles.

 

Still tho, regardless of what ya say Sandman, the PC Gaming Market isn't going to die. I wouldn't be in college for it if it was. I wouldn't be working as a financial planner, in order to build my personal wealth so that when it comes time to start my studio, if that was the case. I plan for my studio to release for only the PC and Mac formats. The consoles can screw themselves. I've never liked them, always considred them to be the PC's retarded half brother. The one that didn't get beat and sent to the instituition.

[bptba93]

When PC gaming dies, there will be somewhat of a crunch in graphics cards. That's a definite, since they tend to narrowcast toward the gaming population.

 

It won't really because you'll have to buy high-end graphics cards just to run the new eye candy Redmond is throwing out.

[sandmanfvrga]

It probably won't die, you are right there, but publishers AND card makers are hurting the market. I can see in 5 years the pc gaming industry is almost gone, if this trend continues.

[The Doc]

I still think you're wrong Sandman. They said almost the same thing about consoles back in the 80's. We all know how that turned out. Publishers have hurt the games industry far more than any Card maker. THAT is a hard fact, and not speculation or opinion.

 

And I doubt the mac will rise to the forfront of gaming anytime soon, as Apple doesn't like it when someone releases a card for the Mac, and writes their own drivers for it. Plus, I wouldn't be able to tinker with the system, tweak it, make it run faster(the hardware, not the OS), and really make it my own, instead of feeling like I'm renting the damned thing.

[sandmanfvrga]

Your opinion and I card prices DO matter. I have seen alot of people first hand that stopped pc gaming because of it. That is FACT as well.

 

Uh, ATI cards were being made for the PowerPC macs and drivers put out, where have you been. In time, the new cards for the Mac Pros will come out and we can order then and install them.

[bwhsh8r]

It probably won't die, you are right there, but publishers AND card makers are hurting the market. I can see in 5 years the pc gaming industry is almost gone, if this trend continues.

 

 

Dude, the other half of that is that EVERYTHING comes out for pc except the most heavilly prized 1st party releases... but those are fiew and far between, I dont understand why you would think that... and why would a superspec card kill pc gaming... it would kill consoles because it would be so much more powerful... sure the requirements at the first testbed card are stupid... but it is a test bed, it is superpowered, it is stupidly high requirement. And how are publishers hurting the market... with drm? yea but most people dont even know what that is... card makers... how are they hurting pc gaming... they also make the console cards so wouldnt they be hurting both then? are you just bitter that very fiew games make it out of windows to osx? Idk, please explain... also, the really high end cards are stupidly priced, ill give you that, but as the new ones come out the old ones drop price... I run an x800xl and it works great for me, and I was able to scrounge up enough cash to buy it new from a store even though I have no job....

[sandmanfvrga]

I am just stating what the numbers today show: PC gaming is falling WAY behind consoles. Yes, the jump to new tech is great, but not many will pay it when they spend good money on consoles. Give the PS3 or 360 a keyboard and mouse and it can run any of the MMORPGs. I mean the MMORPGs are coming to the console and after that, the PC won't have much to brag about, if any. I don't see why the going against what I say. I don't know how old many are here, but I have played PC games since MS-DOS 3. That is before windows, with floppy drives, no mice, no hard drives, etc. I have seen alot. First Person Shooters have been "PC only" for a long time, now, not so. With Unreal Tournament 2007 coming to PC and 360, which one will sell better? I say 360 due to it just runs and no buying a new card that is as much as a 360.

 

It is the trend, DON'T BLAME ME. Damn, I am stating the facts, not opinions here. PC always get ahead of consoles, but the trends have shown that consoles now can and will do what the PC does, so why spend all that on a pc? Have you looked at the Gamestops and EBGames, THEY SAY the trend is going away from the PC. Hell the PC seciton in them now is a f;ing cart in the middle of the floor, no more on the shelves cause they can't seel enough. *shrug*. Don't blame me guys, I am telling it as it is.

[bwhsh8r]

I am just stating what the numbers today show: PC gaming is falling WAY behind consoles. Yes, the jump to new tech is great, but not many will pay it when they spend good money on consoles. Give the PS3 or 360 a keyboard and mouse and it can run any of the MMORPGs. I mean the MMORPGs are coming to the console and after that, the PC won't have much to brag about, if any. I don't see why the going against what I say. I don't know how old many are here, but I have played PC games since MS-DOS 3. That is before windows, with floppy drives, no mice, no hard drives, etc. I have seen alot. First Person Shooters have been "PC only" for a long time, now, not so. With Unreal Tournament 2007 coming to PC and 360, which one will sell better? I say 360 due to it just runs and no buying a new card that is as much as a 360.

 

It is the trend, DON'T BLAME ME. Damn, I am stating the facts, not opinions here. PC always get ahead of consoles, but the trends have shown that consoles now can and will do what the PC does, so why spend all that on a pc? Have you looked at the Gamestops and EBGames, THEY SAY the trend is going away from the PC. Hell the PC seciton in them now is a f;ing cart in the middle of the floor, no more on the shelves cause they can't seel enough. *shrug*. Don't blame me guys, I am telling it as it is.

 

 

heh, im not holding it against you I just wanted to see where you were coming from... you make a very good arguement for sure... but that is also because you cant buy used pc games because of the whole cd key, now ive got it :-p tipe thing...

[Darth Circuit]

Hey Doc:

 

Thank you. thank you, thank you, thank you!

 

As one of the few beleivers in pc gaming on this thread, i thank you from the bottom of my heart for all that you have said in its defense. I only wish that i could have found this thread earilier to help you prove your point.

 

And your figures are a bit off. They lump both the PC and Console markets together as the "Gaming Industry". At least Forbes and a few others do that. Here's the rub for the PC: MMO's have taken over. While it may be a good money maker for the studios, it puts undo stress on the rest of the market. And here's another thing... Multiplayer on the console will never match the size, scope, and intensity of PC multiplayer. Not when you have to pay for ANOTHER online service on the consoles, JUST TO PLAY ONLINE. Not so with the PC. If I go out and by Quake 4 for my PC, I can install it, and go play it online now. I don;t have pay for XCrap Live, or Sony's NON-Existent Online service, and then connect. I don't mind paying $30 to $40 a month for my internet... but when I have to add $15 for Xcrap live, and ANOTHER $15 for an MMO fee, plus $40 every six months for "expansions" (see the expensive way of making patches for games), thats when it doesn't seem worth it. As it is with the above figure, spending $70 a month JUST to play a damned game? Screw that, I'll go on my PC thankyouverymuch!

 

So true! How can any of you justify paying nearly 500 dollars for a new console, paying 50-70 dollars for games, and then buying all these "great addons" that arent cheap them selves, that you can get for the pc for less than half the price, if they dont already come with the pc?

 

Take the xb360 hard drives for example. They cost, what a hundred dollars, and they are maybe 160 gig? for the same price, i got my 320 gig drive, and my geforce 6 series card!

 

the game prices are ridiculous as well! i was at the store earlier today, and i was comparing prices on some things, and i could not bring myself to purchase the god father for 50 bucks, when on pc i could get it for 25. if you have the right hardware, it even looks nicer on the pc.

 

i personally think that people are just too cheap to see how pc gaming is actually great. they see a new peice of video card, like a mx 400 for example, and complain that it costs too much, and they wait until it is so out of date that nobody in their right mind would even bother supporting anymore, and then complaint that nothing works with it, and state "Im going to go spend hundreds of dollars on a console!"

 

 

As the first card that will support dx10, i think that this card will bring on a frontier of pc gaming, and gaming in general. just take a look at the screen shots of crysis, and halo 3. it is so real, you can almost touch it.

 

like stated before, this card will have many changes before it hits the market.

 

time will tell i guess.

[sandmanfvrga]

bwhsh8r, thanks. Just speaking my mind.

 

Darth Circuit, well it is high on the console side, but for every year you pay hundreds and maybe $1000 to up a new pc to cutting edge, it is cheaper on th console side. Yeah, the hard drives are small for the price, but time will change that.

 

People are to cheap? Dude, back up a second and think about this. Some people have a family, house, and bills, gaming is not THAT important. To single guys, it is easy to swing this. Consoles excell cause most, if not all, can afford them. With the next gen consoles, $400 360 will play excellent, online multiplayer games, that the pc has for a few good years. The PC? Well it can if you have the dough to shell out. Did I mention EB and Gamstop's PC section is a CART in the middle of the store? This is why.

 

It is funny you go on about Halo 3 and how great it looks and how great it is. You proved my case, it is on a CONSOLE not the PC. Thus a great game like that and has redifined the FPS genre, is on consoles (later they come to pc). Thank you, that is my point. The console is taking over. I really want the pc to have it's own niche, yes I stated maybe the PC would die and I retract that statement, but the trend is fact, not opinion. If the trend continues, PC gaming could be just a drop in the bucket.

 

EDIT: I got Neverwinter Nights 2 prebought. THIS type of game is where the PC will stay with. A great game that is all about custom content. MMORPGs, FPSs, RTSs, etc. are going toward the console with versions on PC to. The PC market needs to make MORE customizable games and then I can see the PC doing customizable games for ever and ever and the consoles doing other stuff.

[Darth Circuit]

It is funny you go on about Halo 3 and how great it looks and how great it is. You proved my case, it is on a CONSOLE not the PC. Thus a great game like that and has redifined the FPS genre, is on consoles (later they come to pc). Thank you, that is my point. The console is taking over. I really want the pc to have it's own niche, yes I stated maybe the PC would die and I retract that statement, but the trend is fact, not opinion. If the trend continues, PC gaming could be just a drop in the bucket.

 

This may be, but look at the last two versions of halo.. the first was ported to pc, and the second will be released in a month or two. i know of many people who have been waiting for this to be ported, so it will also save the pc gaming community. if the first two have have been ported, i am positive ms will port the third also. (and dont give me {censored} about it takes longer for things to come to pc).

 

the only reason that the 360 has better graphics than the pc right now, is because ms decided to take a chance and see how dx10 would work day to day. imo, they were preparing it to help take out the bugs in vista.

 

Darth Circuit, well it is high on the console side, but for every year you pay hundreds and maybe $1000 to up a new pc to cutting edge, it is cheaper on th console side. Yeah, the hard drives are small for the price, but time will change that.

 

I dont either... have been using my pIII 800 mhz for 6 years, and i just recently upgraded for 3 months ago to my amd64. i decided that it was just about time. my new computer runs all the new games fine, and i payed less the 1000 for it. some people do pay thousands a year, but they are idiots. (no offence inteded, if you are one). imo, if you upgrade every three years you are covered. besides, i would still rather pay 500 for a new video card, than pay that for the console, and then get ripped off when i buy the games.

 

People are to cheap? Dude, back up a second and think about this. Some people have a family, house, and bills, gaming is not THAT important. To single guys, it is easy to swing this. Consoles excell cause most, if not all, can afford them. With the next gen consoles, $400 360 will play excellent, online multiplayer games, that the pc has for a few good years. The PC? Well it can if you have the dough to shell out. Did I mention EB and Gamstop's PC section is a CART in the middle of the store? This is why.

 

Yes, i do realize that some people have families, and jobs, ect., and gaming may not be that important to them. that may be why they buy dells, and complain that they dont work. consoles may work out great for them, but i restate the fact that my computer was less than 1000 dollars, and im playing just as well or better than a console, while probably spending less overall including games, controllers, stereo, ect.

yes, i know that the pc rack at gamestop is much smaller than the console ones, but part of the fact you must consider is that most of the games (at least at my gamestop) are Used. in my experience, they dont take used pc games at gamestop. if you compare the racks with only new games, yes consoles will still have more, but you could put them all on the same size rack as the pc games.

 

i would also like to respond about what one of you had said before concerning keyboards and consoles. i know that you can use one on a console, but from what i have seen, i have only found one game that i enjoy that supports a keyboard/mouse setup. and that is half life, which, btw was ported from the pc. (but then again i have a ps2, so it just sucks anyways) maybe things will change with the 360, and the wii.

 

 

btw, i also hope to get nwn2 soon. looks pretty good

[joe75]

The PS3 will use any USB keyboard and mouse The only benefit of PC gaming is "Graphics" and maybe the game itself, a game made for PC. A console is much better all around for gaming, it has only one thing to do.

[bwhsh8r]

bwhsh8r, thanks. Just speaking my mind.

 

Darth Circuit, well it is high on the console side, but for every year you pay hundreds and maybe $1000 to up a new pc to cutting edge, it is cheaper on th console side. Yeah, the hard drives are small for the price, but time will change that.

 

People are to cheap? Dude, back up a second and think about this. Some people have a family, house, and bills, gaming is not THAT important. To single guys, it is easy to swing this. Consoles excell cause most, if not all, can afford them. With the next gen consoles, $400 360 will play excellent, online multiplayer games, that the pc has for a few good years. The PC? Well it can if you have the dough to shell out. Did I mention EB and Gamstop's PC section is a CART in the middle of the store? This is why.

 

It is funny you go on about Halo 3 and how great it looks and how great it is. You proved my case, it is on a CONSOLE not the PC. Thus a great game like that and has redifined the FPS genre, is on consoles (later they come to pc). Thank you, that is my point. The console is taking over. I really want the pc to have it's own niche, yes I stated maybe the PC would die and I retract that statement, but the trend is fact, not opinion. If the trend continues, PC gaming could be just a drop in the bucket.

 

EDIT: I got Neverwinter Nights 2 prebought. THIS type of game is where the PC will stay with. A great game that is all about custom content. MMORPGs, FPSs, RTSs, etc. are going toward the console with versions on PC to. The PC market needs to make MORE customizable games and then I can see the PC doing customizable games for ever and ever and the consoles doing other stuff.

 

 

No problem, i like when people do that but see, there is one thing that you did not mention in that, i cant do my homework and my bills and my real life stuff on an xbox 360, ps3, or wii... i can do my homework and play games on my pc but the other side of that is i have to install stuff etc... but a pc is much more functional, and i think your over exagerating a bit, you dont really need the newest gpu unless you have a screen a mile wide (well huge, and most people do now a days... but still....)

 

just worth mentioning, but i do as well, now that i have thought about it alot, see the pc gaming market receding... because of drm, 9 disk installs, crazy sys reqs, and install time... but its a shame, even though i like ps2 controlers over a mouse and keyboard i think that the pc is still the backbone and will always be there regardless because all things have to be developed on a pc (and the debugging system, and even that plugs into a PC) and its not that hard except for the analogue sticks to port over, so why not... but the industry is still thriving, eb games is a little lacking (in both of our towns, target has a better section :-p )

 

 

 

max

[sandmanfvrga]

Good points all around, actually have a discussion. After all the discussing, opinions and such, I think one thing makes the console "better" or more profittable over the pc is that you can just put the disc in, turn it on, and it works. I have heard that so many times from people. Plus, like stated above, copy protection is making it to where legal people have issues in running games.

 

In a few years, we could see this type of landscape:

 

Consoles that are ubber powerful (kind of like now) and do all types of games and most are happy with it.

 

PC gaming is for the games that need the pc to allow user to edit and add on. Other words, customizable games.

 

Small PC's or laptops for the console users for everyday tasks, like email and such. We got those now, $400 laptops that are perfect for that.

 

 

 

I grew up on PC gaming, with Doom, Doom 2, Wolfenstein 3d, Alone In The Dark, etc. I sometimes wish PC gaming would go away cause it is getting expensive, but when a game like NWN 2 comes out I think again. I hope the PC finds it niche in the market.

[sev7en]

Does anyone know if there are news about nVidia's mobile G80 solutions?

I'm reading alot about a 7950Go chip...

[REVENGE]

Does anyone know if there are news about nVidia's mobile G80 solutions?

I'm reading alot about a 7950Go chip...

 

 

 

Aha, we can expect it shortly as soon as Sony makes the next ultra high voltage, ultra high capacity, ultra gynormous nukesploding laptop battery. Shame it'll only be for them 21 in "laptops" with a water cooler on their backs though...

[Darth Circuit]

No problem, i like when people do that but see, there is one thing that you did not mention in that, i cant do my homework and my bills and my real life stuff on an xbox 360, ps3, or wii... i can do my homework and play games on my pc but the other side of that is i have to install stuff etc... but a pc is much more functional, and i think your over exagerating a bit, you dont really need the newest gpu unless you have a screen a mile wide (well huge, and most people do now a days... but still....)

i knew i forgot to mention something in my rantings before... lol. nicely put.

 

The PS3 will use any USB keyboard and mouse The only benefit of PC gaming is "Graphics" and maybe the game itself, a game made for PC. A console is much better all around for gaming, it has only one thing to do.

 

 

Yeah, but will the ps3 even work for the majority of people? i went into gamestop earlier today, and one of the employees told me that his manger got the chance to test out the ps3 at a conference. out of the 7 ps3's they had set up, 4 of them had crashed and the sony guys were not able to fix them. lol. they also told me that for a premium system, it was going to be around $629. i got my whole computer for that!

 

but as stated, there have been many valid points, and i thank you all for the marvelous discussion.

 

Does anyone know if there are news about nVidia's mobile G80 solutions?

I'm reading alot about a 7950Go chip...

well, according to mikeshardware.co.uk....

nVidia GeForce Go G80M is expected to be released in November. The GeForce Go G80M is the mobile equivalent of the G80 GPU.

 

nVidia GeForce Go G83M is expected to be released in November. The GeForce Go G83M is the mobile equivalent of the G83 GPU.

 

nVidia GeForce Go G82M is expected to be released in November. The GeForce Go G82M is the mobile equivalent of the G82 GPU.

 

Aha, we can expect it shortly as soon as Sony makes the next ultra high voltage, ultra high capacity, ultra gynormous nukesploding laptop battery. Shame it'll only be for them 21 in "laptops" with a water cooler on their backs though...

 

lol. i think that sony should just give up. between the ps3, rootkits and exploding batteries, things do not look good from my point of view....