Nostalgia — Installing Tiger on a relatively modern Hack?

[vladislav korotnev]

Hello guys.

I bet everyone sometimes got that desire to go back in time and use something you used to a couple of years ago.

For me, one of those things is OS 10.4 (and its sleek Front Row!).

However since I have repurposed my 2006 MBP into an HTPC, I cannot install it on anything anymore.

But what if we could do it on our new shiny Hackintoshes?

So, the question is, will the Tiger run on:

• Core i3 3.1Ghz

• Gigabyte GA-z77-DS3H

• Latest chameleon (on external USB drive — i prefer to keep any kind of bootloader off my HDD, so it wouldn't mess up)

• Alongside 10.8.2

• With Audigy2 Platinum (AFAIR kX drivers were written exactly for 10.4)

• GFX card is a non-branded nVidia GeForce GT 440, had the 'screen goes to sleep' bug but it seems either npci=0x2000 darkwake=0 PCIRootUID=1 or Natit fixed it

 

I hope it will, but could please someone give a more specific answer?

That would be awesome if it would work (not to mention it's gonna be F A S T )

 

Thanks!

[3.14r2]

No way!

 

Tiger was released when ONLY Core Duo CPUs were available. The kernel it uses, simply has no code for iX CPUs (it won't be able to use iX as it wouldn't "know" how). The other issue is that there are no chipset specific kexts present in the Tiger to handle all the new hardware.

[vladislav korotnev]

Hm, shouldn't processors be backwards-compatible?

Why does XP boot on an i7 then?

up: people do it fine: http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/271372-its-possible-to-get-tiger-on-core-i5i7/

[3.14r2]

CPUs are backward compatible. OS X is not forward compatible. Although it may somehow run on iX (with original kernel?), but I doubt that power management would work, so does the VGA and probably some other devices.

 

Windows was designed for x86 platform and supports a wide variety of hardware. OS X Tiger was designed for PPC/x86 platforms and supports a limited set of hardware/devices used in Apple computers of the time.

[ClassANetwork]

I'm running it just fine in VMWare Workstation.

 

Edit: I realize I just necro'd an old thread. My bad.

[Codinger]

Hm, shouldn't processors be backwards-compatible?

Why does XP boot on an i7 then?

up: people do it fine: http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/271372-its-possible-to-get-tiger-on-core-i5i7/

 

XP was always kept up2date and there were chipset drivers

 

good hacking 

 

OSBeast

[archi386]

in the name of nostalgia I will post something, first the first time in who knows how long. I was one of the first to sign up in 2005 and haven't really been active in awhile. Now I just built a skylake VR PC and went ahead with virtualbox etc but never mind that.

 

what a long strange trip it has been! what's netkas up to these days? remember the very first thing that worked, that image someone posted with a password already set on it, for Tiger? anyone ever find out who did that? I was at WWDC 2005 for the Intel announcement and remember seeing the P4 with its little motherboard inside the cheese grater mac pro case. Them's the days!

 

sorry don't mean to hijack, go ahead and remove it, sorry I don't have an actual useful thing to say.

[djfuq]

Heres the deal... whatever osx you currently boot on the same hw (like say, if you have a working install of X.6.8  through  X.11.3) do it with in clover (im not sure about chameleon) now, find the minimum config needed via only clover to get the {censored} booted.. NO ADDED KEXTS and do it methodically making sure you have 100% unmodified install sources/media.

 

next, and this is the context you need here:

get vanilla tiger 10.4.11 image.... no special kernels/patches. etc. no added bs pre FAKESMC kexts. no extra random flags or tweaks to it... 

this is critical and hard to obtain on torrent networks as nobody really knew what it was that made it work/not work....expecially anythhing that got torrented was in demad and that was NOT the vanilla media back then... and most {censored} you download is this lets patch the previously patched distro like osx and add apps i like to it as well... yeah not what you want.  ..

 

so whatever MINIMAL clover config.plist and GPT partition MBR+PBR vs GPT+ESP (bios or uefi) boots 10.6 10.7 10.8 etc on the same hw, use it for booting tiger.

(there is an oddity with 10.8 requiring special fakesmc) + one kernel patch that looks like its legit:


 

here is what I have learned from my recent work of booting all x86 OSX on a modern ASUS sandy bridge + Nvidia geforce 250 (the big card) based system.. they all work with my el captain config... just remove arguably unimportant (to a developer/hacker (not to a gamer or someone who copys files between disks) HW features we got since 2005 and also OSX improves performance/stability the further BACK IN TIME you go.

 

so my takeaway:

apple cripples and goofs around with functionality of legacy stuff or obfuscates features behind ninja smoke and is steadily reducing features/perfectly working BSD OSX features and hiding useful stuff or just renaming stuff for profits.  just like M$ (the KING OF RENAMING {censored}!) its becoming their LT business model and $ strategy since they cant come up with anything new since iphone. (ipod with a screen and a sim) yeah. no kidding. of course powerpc needed repleacment... of course x86X64 osx was best viewed at 10.6.8... its final completed version (windows7 was apples 10.6.8 being wjhat some would argure are the products last good FINAL builds before they had to make some cute solutions in search of problems again.. good thing they went back to forcing new hardware on people and pandering to the rich... to buy stuff that makes no difference like say 4K resolution.. no further improvements were needed to OS (many ppl think this way). <<<<<< more flamebait. come get some.

 

back then a {censored}load of ad-hoc kernel patches/kexts etc were added to these "distros" like the deadmoo or the iatkos or the JaS etc etc. and all that adhoc stuff was tested to death and always did and still sucks miserably to try and troubleshoot..should i get sse2 or sse3? this one here say AMD+INTEL oh this one says its only AMD or only intel.... yeah F all that,

. this stuff will cause confusion where it isnt needed especially since clover is the correct solution we needed (emulate EFI and mod ACPI to match mac hw decriptons/configs via bootable efi middleware before booting kernel)...

clover came frm all the knowledge gleaned from those early days of TPM witchhunting and random hwid plist editing amd patches and those seatbelt kexts and those requests for efi stings and those turd YOURHAX0rNAMEHERE.MACH.KERNEL.AMD.SSE2.zip kernels we tried out... so im sure this history lesson is uneeded by most here but yeah.. the reason i dont recommend chameleon for this is that its not 100% efi and will always be imitating clover as clove was the final destination.. (actually I guess ozmosis is the most l33t and correct way to actually put the {censored} direct into the bios instead of the EFI partition.. so thats even more mac like/less modding of files after the fact but yeah)
so, modifying files to boot should be your challenge.

 

 

 

now, back on topic. take your non amd box, boot it via the minimal clover config. that means dont try and patch everyting to make it all work like usb3 and sound.... F that. make it boot with minimal changes. you may of course use fakesmc as its the only essential-ish part in my experience.

boot AHCI (AHCI was good since 10.4 but most of us were cheapskates with IDE drives back then so we had a lotta IDE\disk based mods to hunt for just to boot something was hell!.,, er I mean... fun.... so AHCI=not needing tweaks.. too bad so many {censored} hp/dell/hahaha boards had no way to choose AHCI in bios. lots of wasted time for consumers! isnt capitalism's way of appearing to drive innovation and at the same time crippling progress to make profit perpetually past the expectations of the actual engineer who creates our leaps in progress.. you know, the creator's expected EOL... (you see engineers are usually addicted top progress regardless of how much he/she is paid its fun for them to improve things as long as they are left alone with enough of what they like... its.. "amazing" profit isnt the true motivator.....? .......<<<<< flame bait. I hope to argue this with anyone whodefends dollars who is willing to get pwned mentally/ethically.

 

 

I have 10.4 - 10.11 all currently booting and set up to my taste for a development project i work on via a moderish asus p8p67-m-pro i5 2500k on a single 3tb GPT drive sliced into of course more than 8 (actually its over 20 partitions since I have partitions for each releases OSX installers, a "golden preconfigured the way I fecking like it post installed, but before I start making a mess" partition per OSX release and per OSX release my current booting up here to work,,, daily "playgrounds"..

i make messes in these and hack {censored}... and collect samples from the past... for fun.

Id can easily overwrite with a  lets start all over from just installed it via copy of my final base images... another topic I suppose im just proud of this.. it took a lot of my time. the reason I say all that is to inform that I know you CAN do this because I HAVE.
 

PM me if you need help and for trade I need OS testing guinea pigs for something I am working on.,,,

 

 

last edit:  thx for reviving this thread and allowing my intentionally sloppy rant to live here.

 

 

 

laster edit:

 

im on drugs... so fock you!

[kosakgroove]

Heres the deal... whatever osx you currently boot on the same hw (like say, if you have a working install of X.6.8  through  X.11.3) do it with in clover (im not sure about chameleon) now, find the minimum config needed via only clover to get the {censored} booted.. NO ADDED KEXTS and do it methodically making sure you have 100% unmodified install sources/media.

 

next, and this is the context you need here:

get vanilla tiger 10.4.11 image.... no special kernels/patches. etc. no added bs pre FAKESMC kexts. no extra random flags or tweaks to it... 

this is critical and hard to obtain on torrent networks as nobody really knew what it was that made it work/not work....expecially anythhing that got torrented was in demad and that was NOT the vanilla media back then... and most {censored} you download is this lets patch the previously patched distro like osx and add apps i like to it as well... yeah not what you want.  ..

 

so whatever MINIMAL clover config.plist and GPT partition MBR+PBR vs GPT+ESP (bios or uefi) boots 10.6 10.7 10.8 etc on the same hw, use it for booting tiger.

(there is an oddity with 10.8 requiring special fakesmc) + one kernel patch that looks like its legit:

 

 

 

here is what I have learned from my recent work of booting all x86 OSX on a modern ASUS sandy bridge + Nvidia geforce 250 (the big card) based system.. they all work with my el captain config... just remove arguably unimportant (to a developer/hacker (not to a gamer or someone who copys files between disks) HW features we got since 2005 and also OSX improves performance/stability the further BACK IN TIME you go.

 

so my takeaway:

apple cripples and goofs around with functionality of legacy stuff or obfuscates features behind ninja smoke and is steadily reducing features/perfectly working BSD OSX features and hiding useful stuff or just renaming stuff for profits.  just like M$ (the KING OF RENAMING {censored}!) its becoming their LT business model and $ strategy since they cant come up with anything new since iphone. (ipod with a screen and a sim) yeah. no kidding. of course powerpc needed repleacment... of course x86X64 osx was best viewed at 10.6.8... its final completed version (windows7 was apples 10.6.8 being wjhat some would argure are the products last good FINAL builds before they had to make some cute solutions in search of problems again.. good thing they went back to forcing new hardware on people and pandering to the rich... to buy stuff that makes no difference like say 4K resolution.. no further improvements were needed to OS (many ppl think this way). <<<<<< more flamebait. come get some.

 

back then a {censored}load of ad-hoc kernel patches/kexts etc were added to these "distros" like the deadmoo or the iatkos or the JaS etc etc. and all that adhoc stuff was tested to death and always did and still sucks miserably to try and troubleshoot..should i get sse2 or sse3? this one here say AMD+INTEL oh this one says its only AMD or only intel.... yeah F all that,

. this stuff will cause confusion where it isnt needed especially since clover is the correct solution we needed (emulate EFI and mod ACPI to match mac hw decriptons/configs via bootable efi middleware before booting kernel)...

clover came frm all the knowledge gleaned from those early days of TPM witchhunting and random hwid plist editing amd patches and those seatbelt kexts and those requests for efi stings and those turd YOURHAX0rNAMEHERE.MACH.KERNEL.AMD.SSE2.zip kernels we tried out... so im sure this history lesson is uneeded by most here but yeah.. the reason i dont recommend chameleon for this is that its not 100% efi and will always be imitating clover as clove was the final destination.. (actually I guess ozmosis is the most l33t and correct way to actually put the {censored} direct into the bios instead of the EFI partition.. so thats even more mac like/less modding of files after the fact but yeah)

so, modifying files to boot should be your challenge.

 

 

 

 

now, back on topic. take your non amd box, boot it via the minimal clover config. that means dont try and patch everyting to make it all work like usb3 and sound.... F that. make it boot with minimal changes. you may of course use fakesmc as its the only essential-ish part in my experience.

boot AHCI (AHCI was good since 10.4 but most of us were cheapskates with IDE drives back then so we had a lotta IDE\disk based mods to hunt for just to boot something was hell!.,, er I mean... fun.... so AHCI=not needing tweaks.. too bad so many {censored} hp/dell/hahaha boards had no way to choose AHCI in bios. lots of wasted time for consumers! isnt capitalism's way of appearing to drive innovation and at the same time crippling progress to make profit perpetually past the expectations of the actual engineer who creates our leaps in progress.. you know, the creator's expected EOL... (you see engineers are usually addicted top progress regardless of how much he/she is paid its fun for them to improve things as long as they are left alone with enough of what they like... its.. "amazing" profit isnt the true motivator.....? .......<<<<< flame bait. I hope to argue this with anyone whodefends dollars who is willing to get pwned mentally/ethically.

 

 

I have 10.4 - 10.11 all currently booting and set up to my taste for a development project i work on via a moderish asus p8p67-m-pro i5 2500k on a single 3tb GPT drive sliced into of course more than 8 (actually its over 20 partitions since I have partitions for each releases OSX installers, a "golden preconfigured the way I fecking like it post installed, but before I start making a mess" partition per OSX release and per OSX release my current booting up here to work,,, daily "playgrounds"..

i make messes in these and hack {censored}... and collect samples from the past... for fun.

Id can easily overwrite with a  lets start all over from just installed it via copy of my final base images... another topic I suppose im just proud of this.. it took a lot of my time. the reason I say all that is to inform that I know you CAN do this because I HAVE.

 

PM me if you need help and for trade I need OS testing guinea pigs for something I am working on.,,,

 

 

last edit:  thx for reviving this thread and allowing my intentionally sloppy rant to live here.

 

 

 

laster edit:

 

im on drugs... so fock you!

 

So, should one inject the corrected ACPI tables of the build to Tiger? Injecting what version of FakeSMC for Tiger? When you answer me that I'm definitely gonna try! How many Gigabytes would be required for a testing purposes Tiger install? like 18 GB?

Pm me I can be your Guinea Pig haha