fantomas Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 @iztech hi, i don't know if you had time to read all comments but here are 2 who seem to me more important than others and there was no answer Say nothing about FakeSMC? If it still needed then how can you say "compatible with OSX"? For me HackOSX can be installed on most computers. Agreed. Does it implement an ACPI SMC device in the hardware or in the firmware? Cordially 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Deadlock Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Hi, after reading through all of this there is one point which is missing in regard to the legalities of this mother board in respect to Apple's End User License Agreement. When this was in court in the United States the end ruling did uphold Apple's EULA, but more importantly it has upheld the lawfull right to install non-Apple parts into an Apple branded computer. This being said it would be unlawfull for Apple to stop a company from making replacement components for an Apple computer or making third party hardware for the purpose of being installed into an Apple computer. I own a 2006 Mac Pro and have already upgraded it from a quad core to an eight core, if my motherboard was to become damaged (or I simply wished an upgrade) then the purchase of this motherboard would achieve that goal and have no legal consequences. This a company selling a motherboard which can be used to build a PC or as a replacement for an existing Mac Pro motherboard. Sure, to replace my Mac Pro motherboard I would have to modify my case such as I have already down to my G5 so that it can take a mATX board. I did so on my G5 by installing a Lian Li motherboard tray and back plate. With my G5 I wished to upgrade it to have an Intel CPU and so I replaced the motherboard and CPU. Would this be classed as a Hackintosh or an extensive upgrade? With a Windoze based computer people's upgrade their CPU and motherboard on a regular basis and often change manufacturer in the process, this is still classed as an upgraded. All thoughts welcome. P.S. This is the first time I have had to do an exam to be allowed to post on a forum, anyway to find out which two I got wrong? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3.14r2 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 ...This a company selling a motherboard which can be used to build a PC or as a replacement for an existing Mac Pro motherboard...Good point! But there is a catch. If a product you've upgraded using a 3d party components not approved by Apple, you would lose a warranty (If it is still under). IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Dev Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Good point! But there is a catch. If a product you've upgraded using a 3d party components not approved by Apple, you would lose a warranty (If it is still under). IMO This is all un-true. You can not take this MB and use components from any one mac and make this work. Second its not meant nor designed to be a replacement but a motherboard that is easy to configure under any OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theconnactic Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 But his point is that, based on the very same judicial decision that defeated Psystar, using the board in this manner - if possible, and it is, needing only a case mod - would not violate EULA, only void the warranty. If that's true, he's got a point, Rampage, yet i doubt someone would ever buy this board and undergo all the mods needed as a replacement for a Mac Pro board. Best regards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3.14r2 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 This is all un-true. You can not take this MB and use components from any one mac and make this work. Second its not meant nor designed to be a replacement but a motherboard that is easy to configure under any OS. My point is that you can't replace an apple made components (the main ones like MB) with non apple made, and still have a valid apple warranty. I'm not talking about the technical side of the matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Dev Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 But based on the very same judicial decision that defeated Psystar, using the board in this manner - if possible, and it is, needing only a case mod - would not violate EULA, only void the warranty. He's got a point, Rampage, yet a quite impractical one. Best regards! No he does not. This has nothing to do with the EULA or warranty. Psystar did not get in trouble for making mac systems but for installing the OS. Please read the court brief of what they were found guilty of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theconnactic Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 In fact, he does, and what you're saying is that, in the end, it doesn't really matters, because building a hackintosh-friendly piece of hardware, or even a complete build, doesn't violate itself the EULA, as long as you don't pre-install the OS. Well, that's disputable: see post #104. Best regards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Dev Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 In fact, he does, and what you're saying is that, in the end, it doesn't really matters, because building a hackintosh-friendly piece of hardware, or even a complete build, doesn't violate itself the EULA, as long as you don't pre-install the OS. Correct. Thats what case law says. Dell has been building clones for years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawcom Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Hot damn, iztech, you already beat your Kickstarter goal! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS01 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 In fact, he does, and what you're saying is that, in the end, it doesn't really matters, because building a hackintosh-friendly piece of hardware, or even a complete build, doesn't violate itself the EULA, as long as you don't pre-install the OS. Well, that's disputable: see post #104. Best regards! Exactly. Any vendor selling a a UEFI-based GIGABYTE LGA1155 board with compatible CPU and a GraphicsEnabler-supported GPU is effectively selling a Mac clone, or at least an easily hackintosh-able PC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Dev Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Exactly. Any vendor selling a a UEFI-based GIGABYTE LGA1155 board with compatible CPU and a GraphicsEnabler-supported GPU is effectively selling a Mac clone, or at least an easily hackintosh-able PC. Thats exactly my point. People thinking this is not legal is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntsmkfob Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I'm wondering if the hackintosh is the reason the MacPro is being left to wither on the vine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatTheTech Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I'm wondering if the hackintosh is the reason the MacPro is being left to wither on the vine... I doubt it - not that this isn't a valid idea but simply because of conversations I have had with people (mostly creative professionals) who buy Mac Pros. A couple of reasons why: 1) When you're an established business, you don't go around breaking the EULA of the company your workflow is built around. 2) When your livelihood depends on your computer, you don't play with the possibility of important updates breaking your system. 3) Though Macs do fail, AppleCare is still a HUGE motivator for buying a real Mac Pro (this is the one that comes up the most). Honestly spoken, the majority of people who build Mac Pro-type hackintoshes probably wouldn't shell out the $2500+ bucks it would take to buy a base Mac Pro. This is a general observation - obviously we have seen some KILLER builds on this forum, but generally speaking people who build hackintoshes do so to save money or to tinker. The Mac Pro is designed for the professional market, the majority of whom probably are still buying/considering buying a Mac Pro (although their sales will drop until they announce the new line later this year). Just my casual observations, but they are backed with many conversations with Mac Pro owners in various professional fields. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3.14r2 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 If I could allow a Mac Book/Pro, would definitely buy one. That's for sure. When a hardware is pleasant to use and work with, it pays off 100%. Esp. if it's equipment used to earn for living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nota33133 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 so WHEN is this on sale WHERE ?????????? my current box blew a power supply and may have taken out the M/B too I need it now not next month or next year so do you have FIRM release date ? or is this vapor ware ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Dev Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 so WHEN is this on sale WHERE ?????????? my current box blew a power supply and may have taken out the M/B too I need it now not next month or next year so do you have FIRM release date ? or is this vapor ware ? Predicted shipping date is May for those who gave money via Kickstarter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nota33133 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 can't see waiting 2 plus months on this old g4 piece of junk set up lol and that is NOT a FIRM sale/release date just to insiders/supporters anyway btw what is the MINIMUM payment to get on their list ? or is that still open anyway ? and is there a firm price yet ? I would love to try this M/B but hate waiting and playing games like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Dev Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 can't see waiting 2 plus months on this old g4 piece of junk set up lol and that is NOT a FIRM sale/release date just to insiders/supporters anyway btw what is the MINIMUM payment to get on their list ? or is that still open anyway ? and is there a firm price yet ? I would love to try this M/B but hate waiting and playing games like this First 100 it was $220 and now it is $240. Consider all the add on cards you do not need its a great price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apple apple Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I am familiar with the work THeKiNG and meklort have done in the past, so I am extremely exited about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splonk Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 So, basically by the time this board is generally available it will be up against Haswell boards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THe KiNG Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 So, basically by the time this board is generally available it will be up against Haswell boards. We explained this earlier, I will say one more time. If and when haswell will meat AOS standards we will make a board with it. So far, you are talking about a "paper" board and if you google a bit, you will find that haswell has problems and 99.99% it will be delayed. On top of that, if Apple will use it, as we known from the past, it will get at least one month, if not more, of exclusivity until it will reach PC market, if you add on that how long it will take until it will be stable on all mainstream operating systems, you will get close to the end of this year. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khe91 Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 ... - Built in components: Intel 82574L LAN ... I got an Intel 82574L LAN PCIe card, but OSX don't supports it OOB. What will be the difference to the chip on the board ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zookini13 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 It has the exact same Texas Instruments chip as in MacPro A lspci tree from Linux: -[0000:00]-+-00.0 Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor DRAM Controller [8086:0150] +-02.0 Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller [8086:0162] +-14.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI Host Controller [8086:1e31] +-16.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 [8086:1e3a] +-1a.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #2 [8086:1e2d] +-1b.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:1e20] +-1c.0-[01-6b]--+-[0000:31]---00.0 ASMedia Technology Inc. ASM1062 Serial ATA Controller [1b21:0612] | +-[0000:30]---03.0 Intel Corporation Device [8086:151a] | +-[0000:2f]---00.0 Intel Corporation Device [8086:151a] | +-[0000:03]---00.0 Intel Corporation DSL3510 Thunderbolt Port [Cactus Ridge] [8086:1547] | +-[0000:02]-+-00.0 Intel Corporation DSL3510 Thunderbolt Port [Cactus Ridge] [8086:1547] | | +-03.0 Intel Corporation DSL3510 Thunderbolt Port [Cactus Ridge] [8086:1547] | | +-04.0 Intel Corporation DSL3510 Thunderbolt Port [Cactus Ridge] [8086:1547] | | +-05.0 Intel Corporation DSL3510 Thunderbolt Port [Cactus Ridge] [8086:1547] | | \-06.0 Intel Corporation DSL3510 Thunderbolt Port [Cactus Ridge] [8086:1547] | \-[0000:01]---00.0-[00]-- +-1c.4-[6c]----00.0 Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network Connection [8086:10f6] +-1c.6-[6d]----00.0 Atheros Communications Inc. AR9300 Wireless LAN adaptor [168c:0030] +-1c.7-[6e-6f]----00.0-[6f]----00.0 Texas Instruments XIO2213A/B/XIO2221 IEEE-1394b OHCI Controller [Cheetah Express] [104c:823f] +-1d.0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 [8086:1e26] +-1f.0 Intel Corporation Z77 Express Chipset LPC Controller [8086:1e44] +-1f.2 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family 6-port SATA Controller [AHCI mode] [8086:1e02] \-1f.3 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller [8086:1e22] I'm looking to build a new system over the next few months and have backed this project on Kickstarter. My current PC is over 5 years old so I've been looking at processors to go with this board. I've seen a lot of positive opinions regarding the performance/value of the Xeon E3 Ivy Bridge processors but Rashantha confirmed to me on Kickstarter that those CPUs won't be supported. However, assuming THe KiNG's post above is from the Quo board, it appears to show one being used. Is it just the case of the above being a beta/custom UEFI version or that they're not "officially" supported? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcork Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 That is just the DRAM controller and the PCI Express controller. Those are not the actual CPU. I have the same output from lspci for my Ivy Bridge i7-3770k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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