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@apianti Thank you

Works here HP ProBook 6570b WithOut  EmuV  :thumbsup_anim:

 

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First of all thanks to vit9696.

Hi there,

 

I've tested r4369 on InsydeH20 and the nvram is not working without the emulation driver :/ 

 

Let me know what info u need.

This is the solution for Aptio UEFI BIOS (AptioFix), it is not for InsydeH20 BIOS.  :(

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Except for your sleep fix, there is nothing explicitely Aptio-specifc in it.

I don't think so. There is a fix for bug introduced by AMI UEFI BIOS.

As well whole AptioFix was developed to fight with AMI AllocateMemory() stupid function while EDK2 AllocateMemory is good. See legacy Clover == CloverEFI doesn't need AptioFix.

Hm, may be we can do real NVRAM with CloverEFI in the case of using on UEFI machine?!

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I don't think so. There is a fix for bug introduced by AMI UEFI BIOS.

As well whole AptioFix was developed to fight with AMI AllocateMemory() stupid function while EDK2 AllocateMemory is good. See legacy Clover == CloverEFI doesn't need AptioFix.

 

Yes, it because built because of Aptio, but is not exclusive to Aptio. Even today, people use AptioFix on non-AMI machines.

 

Hm, may be we can do real NVRAM with CloverEFI in the case of using on UEFI machine?!

 

You want UEFI to emulate BIOS so that you can load another UEFI environment? With some relocation magic, this really is a non-isse tbh

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It is not working in my case (rig in signature)

Last login: Sun Jan  7 17:36:41 on console
fabios-Mac-Pro:~ fabio$ sudo nvram -p
Password:
fakesmc-key-MSWr-ui8	%00
flagstate	%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00
fakesmc-key-RBr -ch8*	j90%00%00%00%00%00
fakesmc-key-EPCI-ui32	%06%f0%f0%00
fakesmc-key-MSAc-ui16	%00%00
efi-boot-device	<array><dict><key>IOMatch</key><dict><key>IOProviderClass</key><string>IOMedia</string><key>IOPropertyMatch</key><dict><key>UUID</key><string>3A55787E-1275-45BE-87EB-0ACF96BC0343</string></dict></dict></dict></array>
fakesmc-key-CLKH-{clh	%00%00p%80%00%01%19@
bootercfg	(%00
fakesmc-key-NATi-ui16	%00%1e
LocationServicesEnabled	%01
fakesmc-key-NTOK-ui8	%01
fakesmc-key-BATP-flag	%00
fakesmc-key-$Num-ui8	%01
fakesmc-key-REV -ch8*	%02 %0f%00%00%18
bluetoothActiveControllerInfo	%0a%18%05%0b%00%00%00%00`%14%f0%03%8c<%b5%a3
fakesmc-key-HI0N-ui8	%10
fmm-computer-name	fabio%e2%80%99s Mac Pro
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fakesmc-key-MSPS-ui16	%00%03
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security-mode	none
fakesmc-key-LsBA-ui8	%90
fakesmc-key-$Adr-ui32	%00%00%03%00
nvda_drv	1%00
EFILoginHiDPI	%00%00%00%00
fakesmc-key-CLKT-ui32	%00%00%f7%aa
fakesmc-key-MSDW-ui8	%01
fakesmc-key-BNum-ui8	%00
SystemAudioVolumeDB	%f0
fakesmc-key-NATJ-ui8	%02
efi-boot-device-data	%02%01%0c%00%d0A%03%0a%00%00%00%00%01%01%06%00%02%1f%03%12%0a%00%00%00%ff%ff%00%00%04%01*%00%03%00%00%00%00H%0a%00%00%00%00%00%88%ca%93;%00%00%00%00~xU:u%12%beE%87%eb%0a%cf%96%bc%03C%02%02%04%03$%00%f7%fct%be|%0b%f3I%91G%01%f4%04.hB%ea%00%1f.%994-E%bd%9e%da%ff%12}%c4%a6%7f%ff%04%00
fabios-Mac-Pro:~ fabio$ 

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Hi

currently using the new AptioFix V2 without slide value and everything seems to work fine

should I still calculate slide value and use it?

 


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  ACPI_NVS  :     332 Pages (1,359,872)
  MemMapIO  :  20,490 Pages (83,927,040)
Total Memory: 16,285 MB (17,076,105,216) Bytes
 
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There is a fix for bug introduced by AMI UEFI BIOS.

As well whole AptioFix was developed to fight with AMI AllocateMemory() stupid function while EDK2 AllocateMemory is good. See legacy Clover == CloverEFI doesn't need AptioFix.

I have AMI firmware, and it needs either of the AptioFixDrv to work. I don't know which "Aptio" it is because there's no indication. It's made by MB manufacturer. Is there any way to identify the "Aptio" version?
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It is not working in my case (rig in signature)

Last login: Sun Jan  7 17:36:41 on console
fabios-Mac-Pro:~ fabio$ sudo nvram -p
Password:
fakesmc-key-MSWr-ui8	%00
flagstate	%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00
fakesmc-key-RBr -ch8*	j90%00%00%00%00%00
fakesmc-key-EPCI-ui32	%06%f0%f0%00
fakesmc-key-MSAc-ui16	%00%00
efi-boot-device	<array><dict><key>IOMatch</key><dict><key>IOProviderClass</key><string>IOMedia</string><key>IOPropertyMatch</key><dict><key>UUID</key><string>3A55787E-1275-45BE-87EB-0ACF96BC0343</string></dict></dict></dict></array>
fakesmc-key-CLKH-{clh	%00%00p%80%00%01%19@
bootercfg	(%00
fakesmc-key-NATi-ui16	%00%1e
LocationServicesEnabled	%01
fakesmc-key-NTOK-ui8	%01
fakesmc-key-BATP-flag	%00
fakesmc-key-$Num-ui8	%01
fakesmc-key-REV -ch8*	%02 %0f%00%00%18
bluetoothActiveControllerInfo	%0a%18%05%0b%00%00%00%00`%14%f0%03%8c<%b5%a3
fakesmc-key-HI0N-ui8	%10
fmm-computer-name	fabio%e2%80%99s Mac Pro
fakesmc-key-MSTc-ui8	%00
fakesmc-key-MSPS-ui16	%00%03
fakesmc-key-RMde-char	A
csr-active-config	g%00%00%00
fakesmc-key-RPlt-ch8*	j90%00%00%00%00%00
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fakesmc-key-#KEY-ui32	%00%00%00%10
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security-mode	none
fakesmc-key-LsBA-ui8	%90
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fakesmc-key-CLKT-ui32	%00%00%f7%aa
fakesmc-key-MSDW-ui8	%01
fakesmc-key-BNum-ui8	%00
SystemAudioVolumeDB	%f0
fakesmc-key-NATJ-ui8	%02
efi-boot-device-data	%02%01%0c%00%d0A%03%0a%00%00%00%00%01%01%06%00%02%1f%03%12%0a%00%00%00%ff%ff%00%00%04%01*%00%03%00%00%00%00H%0a%00%00%00%00%00%88%ca%93;%00%00%00%00~xU:u%12%beE%87%eb%0a%cf%96%bc%03C%02%02%04%03$%00%f7%fct%be|%0b%f3I%91G%01%f4%04.hB%ea%00%1f.%994-E%bd%9e%da%ff%12}%c4%a6%7f%ff%04%00
fabios-Mac-Pro:~ fabio$ 

I had the same problem: I delete rcscript and type sudo nvram -c in terminal. After  reboot, I do the test and it works. 

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I will try it 

Thanks

 

 

I had the same problem: I delete rcscript and type sudo nvram -c in terminal. After  reboot, I do the test and it works. 


without slide=128 with clover R.4369 I have always printf error also with it there is error message with -x flag (slide=128 -s instead is good)

in printf error condition after waiting a couple of seconds or more if I press enter on keyboard system enters in bios configuration

from there I have force to override boot from my osx ssd disk but system freeze on bios 

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I have AMI firmware, and it needs either of the AptioFixDrv to work. I don't know which "Aptio" it is because there's no indication. It's made by MB manufacturer. Is there any way to identify the "Aptio" version?

I don't know. I also have AMI UEFI without "Aptio" word. And AptioFix is exactly for me.

 

Yes, it because built because of Aptio, but is not exclusive to Aptio. Even today, people use AptioFix on non-AMI machines.

 

 

You want UEFI to emulate BIOS so that you can load another UEFI environment? With some relocation magic, this really is a non-isse tbh

 

May be other manufacturers uses same codebase.

CloverEFI somehow works better then OEM UEFI so why I asked. 

 

Hi guys,

 

Is there any specific notes on the SIP values regarding the new AptioFixDrv?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Why not using Clover default value? Something wrong?

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@apianti

I have a small problem with the Calculation of the Slide Value... (Annd i seems like i need one, because i cant boot without)

 

i have this Region Available:

Available  0000000000100000-0000000027D67FFF 0000000000027C68 000000000000000F

But if i start to Calculate:

 

0x100000 - 0x100000 = 0x0

 

The Next Available Big Region is:

Available  0000000100000000-000000109FFFFFFF 0000000000FA0000 000000000000000F

But thats above 0x100000000 ...

 

 

I have attached my Memmap, but i dont understand which region i need....

Maybe anyone can help me...

 

Cheers

 

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tried (I have had not rescript installed )

for me it is not working (X99 rig)

After reboot test call is not there

 

I had the same problem: I delete rcscript and type sudo nvram -c in terminal. After  reboot, I do the test and it works. 

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Please don't kill "random KASLR", thx ;p

 

That's not what I meant because it obviously works for some. I meant trying to figure out some way to determine when the slide needs to be figured out because it will fail.

 

Now i tried newest ..69 Clover.pkg (DLed from SF, installed for test on USB Stick). Used   aptiofix2drv-64.efi  - before i must use the aptiofixdrv-64.efi on my GA-Z77 MB.

Worked!  So no need for me to calc and use an slide value. Thanks

Q: The size of that ..2..efi coming within the .pkg is 23KB, that test version from page 800 is about 52 KB size. Same stuff / code - only bigger by debug code / not size optimized? Or should i try also that test ..2fix.. version from page 800?

 

The toolchain and debug information. The package is built for release usually everything else (especially by me) is debug because we want information. It looks like the fix is good so you should be fine with the one from the package. It's obviously better to use the smaller more optimized one.

 

I don't know why my bin is larger, the toolchain is what makes the diff

 

He was referring to the fix I posted in #15994. I think yours was built release, no? It's like half the size.

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That's not what I meant because it obviously works for some. I meant trying to figure out some way to determine when the slide needs to be figured out because it will fail.

 

Ugh, you would need to scan the kernel image before it is extracted by boot.efi... I still prefer conditional relocation

 

 

He was referring to the fix I posted in #15994. I think yours was built release, no? It's like half the size.

 

Mine is RELEASE and 53 KB... so yes, it's a lot larger

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Hi there,

 

I've tested r4369 on InsydeH20 and the nvram is not working without the emulation driver :/ 

 

Let me know what info u need.

 

Ah.... Ummm.... Why you bought a board with an Insyde firmware? Then how you determined it's not working. Also what else are you doing/using?

 

-s single mode is working.

-x safe mode is not working. Only shown "does printf work?"

 

나의 LG-F800S 의 Tapatalk에서 보냄

 

Hasn't -x had problems for a while now though? Probably need to do some more debugging, or maybe it just doesn't exist anymore....

 

I think it is from apfs.efi.

My compilation is 23kb. The toolchain is XCODE5. The sources are from sf.net. RELEASE.

Are you sure you have the same sources?

 

Yeah I've never seen that line before. There's confusion because I posted a DEBUG driver and it's twice the size.

 

@apianti @vit9696 Thank you

Works here HP ProBook 6570b WithOut  EmuV  :thumbsup_anim:

 

Was mostly vit9696, Download-Fritz, and some others. I just do what I do best and burned the forest down....

 

First of all thanks to vit9696.

This is the solution for Aptio UEFI BIOS (AptioFix), it is not for InsydeH20 BIOS.  :(

 

Yeah, but it could work, it just doesn't. Remember when Insyde firmware actually just worked really well? Neither do I.... HAHAHA

 

Oh is it? My bad. 

 

It's not implausible it could have worked.

 

It is not working in my case (rig in signature)

 

Oh don't tell me you have the holy grail of the worst firmware ever made, is that the ASUS X99 that has the whitelist, the memory fragmentation issue, and the SMM issue? Ummm... Hmmmm...... I am unsure at this moment.

 

 

Hi

currently using the new AptioFix V2 without slide value and everything seems to work fine

should I still calculate slide value and use it?

 

You can but why? If it's working you're good.

 

I have AMI firmware, and it needs either of the AptioFixDrv to work. I don't know which "Aptio" it is because there's no indication. It's made by MB manufacturer. Is there any way to identify the "Aptio" version?

 

Use the newest version of AptioFix2 it does not matter it SHOULD be working for all Aptio firmwares now....

 

I had the same problem: I delete rcscript and type sudo nvram -c in terminal. After  reboot, I do the test and it works. 

 

You have to reboot after you set a variable or it is not guaranteed to be set because the nvram app says that it won't necessarily write the value until a successful restart or shutdown.

 

Hi guys,

 

Is there any specific notes on the SIP values regarding the new AptioFixDrv?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Use it? Also, AptioFix2.

 

without slide=128 with clover R.4369 I have always printf error also with it there is error message with -x flag (slide=128 -s instead is good)

in printf error condition after waiting a couple of seconds or more if I press enter on keyboard system enters in bios configuration

from there I have force to override boot from my osx ssd disk but system freeze on bios 

 

If you need slide=128 then you need it for every boot including -x.

 

I don't know. I also have AMI UEFI without "Aptio" word. And AptioFix is exactly for me.

 

 

May be other manufacturers uses same codebase.

CloverEFI somehow works better then OEM UEFI so why I asked. 

 

 

Why not using Clover default value? Something wrong?

 

Yeah the fix is just badly named because it was originally meant just for Aptio firmwares since that's what was causing us trouble ~7 years ago.

@apianti

I have a small problem with the Calculation of the Slide Value... (Annd i seems like i need one, because i cant boot without)

 

i have this Region Available:

Available  0000000000100000-0000000027D67FFF 0000000000027C68 000000000000000F

But if i start to Calculate:

 

0x100000 - 0x100000 = 0x0

 

The Next Available Big Region is:

Available  0000000100000000-000000109FFFFFFF 0000000000FA0000 000000000000000F

But thats above 0x100000000 ...

 

 

I have attached my Memmap, but i dont understand which region i need....

Maybe anyone can help me...

 

Cheers

 

Lol that is slide=0.

 

slide=0

 

Yeah.

 

I was just curious to see if we can fully enable the SIP with the new AptioFixDrv or not.

 

Use AptioFix2. You should be able.

 

tried (I have had not rescript installed )

for me it is not working (X99 rig)

After reboot test call is not there

 

Some other issue then. X99, gah.

 

Ugh, you would need to scan the kernel image before it is extracted by boot.efi... I still prefer conditional relocation

 

Why would the kernel need scanned? What do you mean by conditional relocation? I have a feeling that there is another bug because why would it not say it could not allocate a region? It appears to have been happy to place the kernel somewhere and it got it. So what's causing the hang? Did it overwrite other areas?

 

Mine is RELEASE and 53 KB... so yes, it's a lot larger

 

Oh I was looking at the compressed size. It's the same size as mine and mine was actually RELEASE too by accident, lol... So don't see how it got half the size in the package.

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Why would the kernel need scanned? What do you mean by conditional relocation?

 

How do you know how much space the kernel will need without scanning it?

Conditional relocation: Try to allocate, see if it worked, if not, relocate just that block.

About the rest: Not sure what you are refering to tbh.

 

So don't see how it got half the size in the package.

 

XCODE5 vs VS2015x86 :/

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How do you know how much space the kernel will need without scanning it?

 

Well picking the largest area is all that matters...? If it can't fit there then it can't fit anywhere...

 

EDIT: Can also keep a semi KASLR by getting all the regions that seem big enough, usually 0x12000 pages is fine. Then choose one by some randomization just like KASLR but with only those slide values.

 

Conditional relocation: Try to allocate, see if it worked, if not, relocate just that block.

 

Might as well use AptioFix then. I do not like that.

 

About the rest: Not sure what you are refering to tbh.

 

Before, whenever it failed to allocate a region because it chose a wrong slide value it very clearly printed that it couldn't allocate the region and gave it's address and page count.

 

XCODE5 vs VS2015x86 :/

 

Oh, you're using VS? Me too. Then that explains it, maybe the optimization is not as high for VS then... Maybe we should look into that.

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Well picking the largest area is all that matters...? If it can't fit there then it can't fit anywhere...

 

So, you plan to entirely ditch the original purpose of KASLR?

 

Before, whenever it failed to allocate a region because it chose a wrong slide value it very clearly printed that it couldn't allocate the region and gave it's address and page count.

 

Probably just killed that code? Scanned boot.efi for it?

 

Might as well use AptioFix then. I do not like that.

 

Lol yeah, may just use a method that is way more error-prone and disables KASLR ;p

 

Oh, you're using VS? Me too. Then that explains it, maybe the optimization is not as high for VS then... Maybe we should look into that.

 

A bud also reported dramatic increase in size in bin size with an edk2 update, not sure which... so yeah, idk if they work around some bugs or whatever

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So, you plan to entirely ditch the original purpose of KASLR?

 

You didn't read my edit. And that's already the case if you use AptioFix.

 

Probably just killed that code? Scanned boot.efi for it?

 

I saw it like a few days ago, on my own screen.

 

Lol yeah, may just use a method that is way more error-prone and disables KASLR ;p

 

AptioFix disables KASLR to use relocation....................

 

A bud also reported dramatic increase in size in bin size with an edk2 update, not sure which... so yeah, idk if they work around some bugs or whatever

 

Yeah possible they made some changes to build flags or to code that bloated.

 

EDIT: It's probably just a different optimization flag. Like full for him compared to speed for VS or something. Who knows.

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