wolfie81 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Second screen corresponds to apfs.efi driver is in DEBUG state. Missing embedded icons is known issue that is still not resolved. Downloadable icons are always good. So the problem is in icons itself. May be someone draw a better embedded theme? It should be as small as possible. Thank you very much Slice. So how do I remove this 'Debug' state? Much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slice Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Thank you very much Slice. So how do I remove this 'Debug' state? Much appreciated. No way. Take apfs,efi from release OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truemac Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Updated Clover r4226 there are have 4 icons for macOS. CAEC0318809AB4AC01C059240DF7A2FE.jpg is this Clover theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badruzeus Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Missing embedded icons is known issue that is still not resolved. Downloadable icons are always good. So the problem is in icons itself. May be someone draw a better embedded theme? It should be as small as possible. If only @blackosx grants me such permission, maybe I could help to rebuilding "embedded" theme. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageAUS Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Updated Clover r4226 there are have 4 icons for macOS. CAEC0318809AB4AC01C059240DF7A2FE.jpg Same here on 4230. Extra icon in Clover. macOS 10.13.1, 17B25c, Laptop specs in sig. - Normal - Normal - Normal - Normal - Extra Icon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badruzeus Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Same here on 4230. Extra icon in Clover. macOS 10.13.1, 17B25c, Laptop specs in sig. screenshot4.png - Extra Icon. I remember it also appeared on Clover GUI (I forgot which rev) when DP1 just seeded, we also had long conversations on "Pre-release 10.13" thread started by @arsadu asking about how to hide these volumes using UUID months ago (I lost the link). Is there another issue if these are shown, except UI.. we're able to hide them within config.plist aren't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico joe Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 tutorial by fusion71au http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/326527-create-custom-entries-to-hide-preboot-and-recovery-apfs-volumes-with-clover-configurator/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageAUS Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 If you look at my screen shots you will see I have custom entries for all the normal entries but not the new one that is just added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion71au Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Updated Clover r4226 there are have 4 icons for macOS. CAEC0318809AB4AC01C059240DF7A2FE.jpg See commit for r4225 - adds new code for detection of /Volumes/Preboot/UUID/com.apple.installer/boot.efi. If you mount your Preboot volume and show hidden files in Finder, you can see... Method for hiding the new entry would be similar to hiding the Preboot Entry discussed in my guide, just adjust the path to \UUID\com.apple.installer\boot.efi. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageAUS Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 See commit for r4225 - adds new code for detection of /Volumes/Preboot/UUID/com.apple.installer/boot.efi. If you mount your Preboot volume and show hidden files in Finder, you can see... Preboot.png Method for hiding the new entry would be similar to hiding the Preboot Entry discussed in my guide, just adjust the path to \UUID\com.apple.installer\boot.efi. Thanks that worked after setting the type to OSXInstaller. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch_de Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Question: If i look for nvram keys, i see that nvda_drv 1%00. I think its made by Clover settting webdriver true? When i switch from Web Driver to OS X default and back to Web Driver (no restart between changes) with Nvidia Menue , the nvram is set to: nvda_drv 1 After reboot again nvda_drv 1%00. I have no probs with webdriver, they are enabled ( so the web drivers. My MB, an GA-Z77 has woring NVRAM (no emulation.efi needed). Can this be an problem in future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky frank Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 I have a question: If I install High Sierra using Piker Alpha's install script to circumvent the APFS conversion, so my boot SSD stays HFS, can I leave my clover installation on the system partition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlocks Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 @Slice i wonder sorted the file order by name. 1. copy EFI folder and check log --> order is jumbled up. 0:151 0:000 === [ LoadDrivers ] ======================================= 0:152 0:001 Loading OsxAptioFix2Drv.efi status=Success 0:159 0:006 Loading OsxFatBinaryDrv-64.efi status=Success 0:164 0:004 Loading HFSPlus.efi status=Success 0:169 0:004 - driver needs connecting 0:169 0:000 Loading AppleImageCodec-64.efi status=Success 0:174 0:005 Loading AppleUITheme-64.efi status=Success 0:179 0:005 Loading DataHubDxe-64.efi status=Success 0:186 0:006 Loading AppleKeyAggregator-64.efi status=Success 0:191 0:004 Loading apfs.efi status=Success 0:198 0:007 - driver needs connecting 0:198 0:000 Loading FSInject-64.efi status=Success 0:204 0:006 Loading FirmwareVolume-64.efi status=Success 0:209 0:004 Loading EmuVariableUefi-64.efi status=Success 0:214 0:004 EmuVariableUefi Initialize: VariableCommonInitialize = Success, orig services stored, install gEmuVariableControlProtocolGuid = Success 0:214 0:000 Loading SMCHelper-64.efi status=Success 0:220 0:005 2 drivers needs connecting ... 0:220 0:000 PlatformDriverOverrideProtocol->GetDriver overriden 0:220 0:000 HFS+ driver loaded 0:220 0:000 APFS driver loaded 0:220 0:000 Searching for invalid DiskIo BY_DRIVER connects: not found, all ok 0:787 0:567 EmuVariable InstallEmulation: orig vars copied, emu.var.services installed, CreateEvent VirtualAddressChange = Success, CreateEvent ExitBootServices = Success, set Status=Success 26:142 0:001 Preparing kexts injection for arch=x86_64 from EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13 26:142 0:000 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext 26:151 0:009 |-- PlugIn kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext\Contents\PlugIns\ACPISensors.kext 26:163 0:011 |-- PlugIn kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext\Contents\PlugIns\CPUSensors.kext 26:169 0:005 |-- PlugIn kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext\Contents\PlugIns\GPUSensors.kext 26:178 0:009 |-- PlugIn kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext\Contents\PlugIns\LPCSensors.kext 26:211 0:033 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\IntelGraphicsFixup.kext 26:218 0:006 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\Shiki.kext 26:224 0:006 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\NvidiaGraphicsFixup.kext 26:230 0:006 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\USBInjectAll.kext 26:382 0:151 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\RealtekRTL8111.kext 26:393 0:011 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\Lilu.kext 2. copy EFI folder and check log --> Sort by descending order using name. 0:157 0:000 === [ LoadDrivers ] ======================================= 0:159 0:001 Loading apfs.efi status=Success 0:168 0:009 - driver needs connecting 0:168 0:000 Loading OsxFatBinaryDrv-64.efi status=Success 0:174 0:005 Loading AppleImageCodec-64.efi status=Success 0:178 0:004 Loading AppleUITheme-64.efi status=Success 0:184 0:005 Loading DataHubDxe-64.efi status=Success 0:192 0:007 Loading EmuVariableUefi-64.efi status=Success 0:196 0:004 EmuVariableUefi Initialize: VariableCommonInitialize = Success, orig services stored, install gEmuVariableControlProtocolGuid = Success 0:197 0:000 Loading AppleKeyAggregator-64.efi status=Success 0:203 0:006 Loading HFSPlus.efi status=Success 0:209 0:005 - driver needs connecting 0:209 0:000 Loading OsxAptioFix2Drv.efi status=Success 0:213 0:004 Loading FSInject-64.efi status=Success 0:220 0:007 Loading FirmwareVolume-64.efi status=Success 0:227 0:007 Loading SMCHelper-64.efi status=Success 0:235 0:007 2 drivers needs connecting ... 0:235 0:000 PlatformDriverOverrideProtocol->GetDriver overriden 0:235 0:000 HFS+ driver loaded 0:235 0:000 APFS driver loaded 0:235 0:000 Searching for invalid DiskIo BY_DRIVER connects: not found, all ok 0:683 0:448 EmuVariable InstallEmulation: orig vars copied, emu.var.services installed, CreateEvent VirtualAddressChange = Success, CreateEvent ExitBootServices = Success, set Status=Success 3:731 0:001 Preparing kexts injection for arch=x86_64 from EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13 3:731 0:000 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\USBInjectAll.kext 3:846 0:115 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\Shiki.kext 3:853 0:006 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\RealtekRTL8111.kext 3:863 0:009 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\NvidiaGraphicsFixup.kext 3:870 0:006 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\Lilu.kext 3:878 0:007 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\IntelGraphicsFixup.kext 3:884 0:006 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext 3:896 0:011 |-- PlugIn kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext\Contents\PlugIns\LPCSensors.kext 3:941 0:045 |-- PlugIn kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext\Contents\PlugIns\GPUSensors.kext 3:952 0:011 |-- PlugIn kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext\Contents\PlugIns\CPUSensors.kext 3:961 0:008 |-- PlugIn kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext\Contents\PlugIns\ACPISensors.kext i didn't changed any files and folder. just copied EFI folder in ESP. The file order is jumbled up in the log. Of course I sorted the file order by name in the drivers64UEFI folder. the kext files order are also jumbled up. Why is this happening? I sorted the file order by name clearly, but the order in the GUI and the log is messed up. Is there a way to avoid this? I suspected the .DS_Store file. So I tried to delete the file and regenerate it. However, this phenomenon still appears. summary order problem -*.aml files in ACPI/Patches folder -*.kext files in kexts folder -*.efi files in drivers64UEFI folder sorry for my bad english thanks in advance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajsurin Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Slice - I've managed to get clover to build locally (Had XCode 9 installed, but gcc-4.9.3 requires ~> 8.0) and am doing to do a bisect between 4128 and 4220 to find out exactly what rev my system broke on. Once I've done that, do you mind helping me debug the changes in that revision? I suspect that'll be beyond my working knowledge of C/UEFI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajsurin Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 qq - Is there a way to find out the revision of edk2 to use with each clover revision? I can build all the way down to r4224 but anything below that errors - I'm guessing my edk2 needs to be downgraded too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-an-W Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Evening folks, Would anyone know where I might start to look into why when upgrading from r4188 to r4231 I loose my HD4000 GPU and onboard Audio please (Using the System in Sig below)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinstonAce Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Hi I used to use arbitrary properties to prevent clover auto injecting various strings like "MaximumBootBeepVolume" "PinConfigurations" and "built-in" for various devices now that inject is enabled even with arbitrary properties, is there a way to make clover stop injecting these? Thanks Never mind had to set inject to yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageAUS Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 @Slice i wonder sorted the file order by name. 1. copy EFI folder and check log --> order is jumbled up. 0:151 0:000 === [ LoadDrivers ] ======================================= 0:152 0:001 Loading OsxAptioFix2Drv.efi status=Success 0:159 0:006 Loading OsxFatBinaryDrv-64.efi status=Success 0:164 0:004 Loading HFSPlus.efi status=Success 0:169 0:004 - driver needs connecting 0:169 0:000 Loading AppleImageCodec-64.efi status=Success 0:174 0:005 Loading AppleUITheme-64.efi status=Success 0:179 0:005 Loading DataHubDxe-64.efi status=Success 0:186 0:006 Loading AppleKeyAggregator-64.efi status=Success 0:191 0:004 Loading apfs.efi status=Success 0:198 0:007 - driver needs connecting 0:198 0:000 Loading FSInject-64.efi status=Success 0:204 0:006 Loading FirmwareVolume-64.efi status=Success 0:209 0:004 Loading EmuVariableUefi-64.efi status=Success 0:214 0:004 EmuVariableUefi Initialize: VariableCommonInitialize = Success, orig services stored, install gEmuVariableControlProtocolGuid = Success 0:214 0:000 Loading SMCHelper-64.efi status=Success 0:220 0:005 2 drivers needs connecting ... 0:220 0:000 PlatformDriverOverrideProtocol->GetDriver overriden 0:220 0:000 HFS+ driver loaded 0:220 0:000 APFS driver loaded 0:220 0:000 Searching for invalid DiskIo BY_DRIVER connects: not found, all ok 0:787 0:567 EmuVariable InstallEmulation: orig vars copied, emu.var.services installed, CreateEvent VirtualAddressChange = Success, CreateEvent ExitBootServices = Success, set Status=Success 26:142 0:001 Preparing kexts injection for arch=x86_64 from EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13 26:142 0:000 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext 26:151 0:009 |-- PlugIn kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext\Contents\PlugIns\ACPISensors.kext 26:163 0:011 |-- PlugIn kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext\Contents\PlugIns\CPUSensors.kext 26:169 0:005 |-- PlugIn kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext\Contents\PlugIns\GPUSensors.kext 26:178 0:009 |-- PlugIn kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext\Contents\PlugIns\LPCSensors.kext 26:211 0:033 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\IntelGraphicsFixup.kext 26:218 0:006 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\Shiki.kext 26:224 0:006 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\NvidiaGraphicsFixup.kext 26:230 0:006 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\USBInjectAll.kext 26:382 0:151 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\RealtekRTL8111.kext 26:393 0:011 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\Lilu.kext 2. copy EFI folder and check log --> Sort by descending order using name. 0:157 0:000 === [ LoadDrivers ] ======================================= 0:159 0:001 Loading apfs.efi status=Success 0:168 0:009 - driver needs connecting 0:168 0:000 Loading OsxFatBinaryDrv-64.efi status=Success 0:174 0:005 Loading AppleImageCodec-64.efi status=Success 0:178 0:004 Loading AppleUITheme-64.efi status=Success 0:184 0:005 Loading DataHubDxe-64.efi status=Success 0:192 0:007 Loading EmuVariableUefi-64.efi status=Success 0:196 0:004 EmuVariableUefi Initialize: VariableCommonInitialize = Success, orig services stored, install gEmuVariableControlProtocolGuid = Success 0:197 0:000 Loading AppleKeyAggregator-64.efi status=Success 0:203 0:006 Loading HFSPlus.efi status=Success 0:209 0:005 - driver needs connecting 0:209 0:000 Loading OsxAptioFix2Drv.efi status=Success 0:213 0:004 Loading FSInject-64.efi status=Success 0:220 0:007 Loading FirmwareVolume-64.efi status=Success 0:227 0:007 Loading SMCHelper-64.efi status=Success 0:235 0:007 2 drivers needs connecting ... 0:235 0:000 PlatformDriverOverrideProtocol->GetDriver overriden 0:235 0:000 HFS+ driver loaded 0:235 0:000 APFS driver loaded 0:235 0:000 Searching for invalid DiskIo BY_DRIVER connects: not found, all ok 0:683 0:448 EmuVariable InstallEmulation: orig vars copied, emu.var.services installed, CreateEvent VirtualAddressChange = Success, CreateEvent ExitBootServices = Success, set Status=Success 3:731 0:001 Preparing kexts injection for arch=x86_64 from EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13 3:731 0:000 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\USBInjectAll.kext 3:846 0:115 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\Shiki.kext 3:853 0:006 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\RealtekRTL8111.kext 3:863 0:009 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\NvidiaGraphicsFixup.kext 3:870 0:006 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\Lilu.kext 3:878 0:007 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\IntelGraphicsFixup.kext 3:884 0:006 Extra kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext 3:896 0:011 |-- PlugIn kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext\Contents\PlugIns\LPCSensors.kext 3:941 0:045 |-- PlugIn kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext\Contents\PlugIns\GPUSensors.kext 3:952 0:011 |-- PlugIn kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext\Contents\PlugIns\CPUSensors.kext 3:961 0:008 |-- PlugIn kext: EFI\CLOVER\kexts\10.13\FakeSMC.kext\Contents\PlugIns\ACPISensors.kext i didn't changed any files and folder. just copied EFI folder in ESP. The file order is jumbled up in the log. Of course I sorted the file order by name in the drivers64UEFI folder. the kext files order are also jumbled up. Why is this happening? I sorted the file order by name clearly, but the order in the GUI and the log is messed up. Is there a way to avoid this? I suspected the .DS_Store file. So I tried to delete the file and regenerate it. However, this phenomenon still appears. summary order problem -*.aml files in ACPI/Patches folder -*.kext files in kexts folder -*.efi files in drivers64UEFI folder sorry for my bad english thanks in advance I think i understand correctly. If i build clover in 10.12.6 the installer gui shows the Drivers64UEFI in a sorted order but in 10.13 they are scrambled like in the screenshot. - Is this what you mean @Sherlocks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajsurin Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Alrighty - I've managed to isolate the change, and it actually makes complete sense given my platform - Haswell-E I'm working up to and including r4144 (https://sourceforge.net/p/cloverefiboot/code/4144/) 4145 + 4146 (https://sourceforge.net/p/cloverefiboot/code/4145/ https://sourceforge.net/p/cloverefiboot/code/4146/) appear to switch over to a new form of injecting Haswell-E support and, at least for me, it doesn't work. Slice - is it possible to revert those commits and go back to the old method? I'm going to try and code it up locally, but as mentioned I'm not used to C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccphuc2016 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 I think i understand correctly. If i build clover in 10.12.6 the installer gui shows the Drivers64UEFI in a sorted order but in 10.13 they are scrambled like in the screenshot. Screen Shot 2017-10-01 at 10.11.29 am.png - Is this what you mean @Sherlocks where link download this clover ? thank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HmO Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 where link download this clover ? thank Clover 4233 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slice Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 @Sherlocks,Clover uses file order as File System proposed.FAT32 file system has random order. When new file is created it will be placed on first unoccupied place. It can be in head or in tail of the file list.HFS+ file system has strong alphabetic order. Question:If i look for nvram keys, i see that nvda_drv 1%00.I think its made by Clover settting webdriver true? When i switch from Web Driver to OS X default and back to Web Driver (no restart between changes) with Nvidia Menue , the nvram is set to: nvda_drv 1After reboot again nvda_drv 1%00.I have no probs with webdriver, they are enabled ( so the web drivers. My MB, an GA-Z77 has woring NVRAM (no emulation.efi needed). Can this be an problem in future? Do you know that the NVRAM key was changed from 10.11.6 to 10.12? I am not sure Chameleon do this.To set Nvidia WEB Driver:in ElCapitan - "boot-args" => "nvda_drv=1"in Sierra - "nvda_drv" => "1"See the difference. qq - Is there a way to find out the revision of edk2 to use with each clover revision? I can build all the way down to r4224 but anything below that errors - I'm guessing my edk2 needs to be downgraded too I compiled Clover with the same old EDK2 revision except the commit like "sync with EDK2 ...". Check again if this is Clover bug and not your. Changes in config.plist. Boot in legacy UEFI. Changes in OS update and so on. Alrighty - I've managed to isolate the change, and it actually makes complete sense given my platform - Haswell-E I'm working up to and including r4144 (https://sourceforge.net/p/cloverefiboot/code/4144/) 4145 + 4146 (https://sourceforge.net/p/cloverefiboot/code/4145/ https://sourceforge.net/p/cloverefiboot/code/4146/) appear to switch over to a new form of injecting Haswell-E support and, at least for me, it doesn't work. Slice - is it possible to revert those commits and go back to the old method? I'm going to try and code it up locally, but as mentioned I'm not used to C Sorry, see you. @syscl This is second claim about this change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slice Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 If only @blackosx grants me such permission, maybe I could help to rebuilding "embedded" theme. Just make such a theme then I embed it into Clover. I think blackosx will not protest against. EDITED. It must be very-very little, simple, without beauty images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlocks Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 I think i understand correctly. If i build clover in 10.12.6 the installer gui shows the Drivers64UEFI in a sorted order but in 10.13 they are scrambled like in the screenshot. Screen Shot 2017-10-01 at 10.11.29 am.png - Is this what you mean @Sherlocks i didn't notice this in installer. i just found it in Clover GUI and log @Sherlocks, Clover uses file order as File System proposed. FAT32 file system has random order. When new file is created it will be placed on first unoccupied place. It can be in head or in tail of the file list. HFS+ file system has strong alphabetic order. thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErmaC Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 Just make such a theme then I embed it into Clover. I think blackosx will not protest against. EDITED. It must be very-very little, simple, without beauty images. Time ago I have "extract" some image from embedded in the code... hex_png.zip most of them are 64x64... what you mean with reduce? the pixel ex:32x32 or 16x16 or you mean a different/better compression ? ErmaC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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