Permanently Banned From Tonymacx86

[SRSR333]

they open the door for noobs

Precisely. That's what such installers are meant for. As long as I've been here, my stand is that tmx86 is very noob-friendly, certainly more than here. They are well-intended and as far as MyHack is concerned, there's nothing wrong with them ([url="http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/279450-why-insanelymac-does-not-support-tonymacx86/"]#####[/url] was a code-rip-off; I don't like them for that.) Newbies want to get OS X installed quickly and EASILY; if they want to find out more about how things really work, they will learn it by themselves, as I have done over time. To be honest I first got OS X running on my laptop with i-Boot and then when Lion came out, [url="http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/279450-why-insanelymac-does-not-support-tonymacx86/"]#####[/url].

 

I am somewhat saddened at just how easy it has become to upgrade my laptop.  I have a laptop with specs that greatly exceed those of any mac laptop, including a 17-inch screen (although it's only HD 1080p display), 16 GHz of DDR3 memory, 2x1TB hard drives and 1 mSata 256 GB Solid State drive, and Beats audio with its own subwoofer.  That's my reason for not buying a mac - there isn't anything like what I have.  (Oh, and mine also has an aluminum body.)

You're saddened by how easy it is to upgrade a laptop? Do you realise that you make no sense? I'd rather a laptop that's easier to upgrade than all its components locked in, like the Retina MacBooks. Secondly, congratulations on modifying your laptop to such an extent. Unfortunately, I have very little time and even lesser money, because I'm a teenaged student with a limited budget, and school and stuff (as already mentioned). Hence my laptop is mostly stock, save the RAM and hard disk drive.

 

 

In any event, I hope you will post in the future about your success at learning about OS X and customizing it to your particular system and not just taking some hack app made by an experienced developer to make a cool laptop/computer without paying the price demanded by Apple.  I'd hate to think that the OSx86 community has come to that.

Thankfully, it has not. I hope you understand that I want to learn how things work - but I'd rather set up my system, make it stable and then experiment. I patched my own DSDT, with a little help from RehabMan and EMlyDinEsH. Over the past three years, I've definitely learnt more about OS X by hackintoshing than using it on a Mac (I had an old white MacBook from 2008 until mid-2011). 

[joe75]

You're saddened by how easy it is to upgrade a laptop? Do you realise that you make no sense? I'd rather a laptop that's easier to upgrade than all its components locked in, like the Retina MacBooks. 

 

It does make sense to people that actually like the thrill or accomplishment of successfully installing OS X on a PC. It's no longer the challenge it used to be and the whole scene has lost some of the appeal and fun it once had because of it. Your point and click fixes have dumbed down the whole process of hackint0sh and have helped to make people more lazy and ignorant than ever before.

[Mieze]

Precisely. That's what such installers are meant for. As long as I've been here, my stand is that tmx86 is very noob-friendly, certainly more than here. They are well-intended and as far as MyHack is concerned, there's nothing wrong with them ([url="http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/279450-why-insanelymac-does-not-support-tonymacx86/"]#####[/url] was a code-rip-off; I don't like them for that.) Newbies want to get OS X installed quickly and EASILY; if they want to find out more about how things really work, they will learn it by themselves, as I have done over time. To be honest I first got OS X running on my laptop with i-Boot and then when Lion came out, [url="http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/279450-why-insanelymac-does-not-support-tonymacx86/"]#####[/url].

 

There is something wrong with tonymacx86. It's their policy which is fascist and you can easily notice what is going on over there even if you are a noob. By limiting freedom of speech they are keeping the noobs stupid and try to make tonymacx86 fanboys out of them. As a responsible person you should't support such a policy even if it makes things a little bit more complicated.

 

By the way, as a driver developer I'm really frustrated about noobs which expect full service and are unwilling to use their head in order to solve even trivial problems. I'm thinking about those people who steal my time asking for support although they have done nothing to investigate or resolve the problem on their own. In case it's a more complicated problem and you ask them to run some tests or to collect some debug data they stop responding.

 

Mieze

[SRSR333]

There is something wrong with tonymacx86. It's their policy which is fascist and you can easily notice what is going on over there even if you are a noob. By limiting freedom of speech they are keeping the noobs stupid and try to make tonymacx86 fanboys out of them. As a responsible person you should't support such a policy even if it makes things a little bit more complicated.

 

By the way, as a driver developer I'm really frustrated about noobs which expect full service and are unwilling to use their head in order to solve even trivial problems. I'm thinking about those people who steal my time asking for support although they have done nothing to investigate or resolve the problem on their own. In case it's a more complicated problem and you ask them to run some tests or to collect some debug data they stop responding.

 

Mieze

Mate, if I ever develop a problem and ask for help here, I'll be sure to pursue it throughout until it gets solved/exact problem is found. I agree that they're fascist, and I definitely don't support the fact that they restrict everything to their own software. And I was referring to the fact that USB installers in general had nothing wrong with them. Not tonymacx86. Indeed, I am responsible and that's why I say that I don't like them...

[Mieze]

Mate, if I ever develop a problem and ask for help here, I'll be sure to pursue it throughout until it gets solved/exact problem is found. I agree that they're fascist, and I definitely don't support the fact that they restrict everything to their own software. And I was referring to the fact that USB installers in general had nothing wrong with them. Not tonymacx86. Indeed, I am responsible and that's why I say that I don't like them...

 

Hey, calm down, don't take it personal. I wasn't talking about you. Just wanted to express my frustration about a certain type of noobs who keep on bothering me and who are the kind of people being very happy with tonymacx86.

 

Mieze

[SRSR333]

Hey, calm down, don't take it personal. I wasn't talking about you. Just wanted to express my frustration about a certain type of noobs who keep on bothering me and who are the kind of people being very happy with tonymacx86.

 

Mieze

Yeah, I'm calm. At the rate that I'm dissing tonymac, if he/his cronies sees my posts here, I'll most likely get banned there for some dumb reason like "bad-mouthing a good forum which provides learning atmosphere, bla bla blah...". LOL

[theconnactic]

Folks, take it easy with the guy. He's as critic of Voldemort and his horcruxes as one can be. And why all the attitude anyway? We know, it's all about the hacking, the tinkering and blah blah blah, but then again, it makes absolutely no sense to work so hard developing patches and fixes to a near-perfection level, only to bash newbies for using them. Why publishing them then? Personal opinion: making OSX86 more accessible means a stronger hacking scene for sheer statistic reasons.

 

And yes, some of them newbies just want a cheap Mac clone. I'm really astonished folks who have such straightforward a discourse about the pirating nature of hackintoshes, adopt quite a hypocritical stance about this specific matter. This seems to be plain anti-end-user snobbery, and this was precisely what killed desktop Linux ("the user is not important").

 

Let's focus, at least in this topic, in what really matters: not the use, but the abuse of the wonderful patches made by OSX86 geniuses; in this particular case, the rip off of other's hard work.

 

All the best!

[mnfesq]

Folks, take it easy with the guy. He's as critic of Voldemort and his horcruxes as one can be. And why all the attitude anyway? We know, it's all about the hacking, the tinkering and blah blah blah, but then again, it makes absolutely no sense to work so hard developing patches and fixes to a near-perfection level, only to bash newbies for using them. Why publishing them then? Personal opinion: making OSX86 more accessible means a stronger hacking scene for sheer statistic reasons.

 

And yes, some of them newbies just want a cheap Mac clone. I'm really astonished folks who have such straightforward a discourse about the pirating nature of hackintoshes, adopt quite a hypocritical stance about this specific matter. This seems to be plain anti-end-user snobbery, and this was precisely what killed desktop Linux ("the user is not important").

 

Let's focus, at least in this topic, in what really matters: not the use, but the abuse of the wonderful patches made by OSX86 geniuses; in this particular case, the rip off of other's hard work.

 

All the best!

 

I'm here to learn from others and to share what I have learned with others who also want to learn.  I'm not here to steal, to pirate or to get a cheap mac clone.  I detest the fact that the OSx86 community has come to that.  MyHack, Tony's beast, and Pandora have all led us to this.  I have opposed all of them since they were first released and I continue to share only the manual way of doing things.  But yes, I do use Clover and Clover configurator, Kext Wizard and other similar tools.  These are not one-click installers.

[HUSABER]

Tonymacx86.............. never believe him..... this is crab

[Alessandro17]

OK, here is my opinion, for what it matters. We have always blamed users who wanted a free lunch and a cheap Mac. But had we not been open minded and welcoming, where would we be now? Perhaps like Project OS X, where there are more administrators and moderators than users? All the administrators whose opinion really mattered, always wanted this place to be a broad church. We introduced the quizzes, mainly as a means to keep the spammers out, but to a lesser extent also the totally clueless noobs. Further than that we didn't want to go.

[joe75]

Why the low blow to projectosx? Half of the mods there have left the scene or are no longer interested. Have you looked at the mod page here? I know there is many more members here but the list is excessive. You think we are not open minded? Because we don't want to deal with distros or people asking the same things over and over? Thats our choice and people know whats expected when they sign up..

 

IMHO, All the administrators here whose opinion really mattered left when the site changed hands or have retired 

[Alessandro17]

It wasn't intended as a "low blow", it is a mere statement of a fact. There is no denying that Project OS X is barely alive.

[Cloudane]

Wow, 27 pages, I see I'm far from alone in dealing with those guys!

 

I imagine I'll be banned in a moment, too, as I've withdrawn my advice in a post edit, criticising whatever mod it is who deletes stuff.  I don't imagine they'll take too kindly to that.

 

To echo what I said on the "tonymac, seriously?" blog post:

Some mod on that site has quite the attitude problem indeed.

 

I tried to write a guide to my Asus Z97I-PLUS setup, which is very new at the moment so I thought they might appreciate the findings of an early adopter. So… really just trying to share information and help people out? (I didn’t get the little bit of help I asked for early on there, and figured it all out through very extensive searching, so literally all I’m trying to do is contribute)

 

Only, in the process, I linked to a post here on InsanelyMac. Turns out this is a Very Bad Idea and the mods don’t like that and will wage holy war on you forever for it (or possibly Toleda who is also a mod there didn’t like me poking fun at his Numbered Lists of Doom and curt/abrupt communication with users, but if so.. I did so in good humour and while thanking him for his help, as he is a great help overall). InsanelyMac doesn’t like links to TonyMac either (politics!!) but at least you guys just filter it out and replace it with a link explaining why tonymac sucks, which is a far more user friendly.

 

This mod on tonymac? This mod just deletes your posts. Zero tolerance. Doesn’t matter if it was really long and well written and took an hour of your time to write just for their benefit – bam, delete. No warning, no communication, no opportunity to edit it, no response to replies asking if I can have the post back in some form so I can clean up the “bad” links for them and not lose an hour of my life. The mod’s only response was to delete that too. The only way I even discerned what I’d (probably) done wrong was by re-reading the rules and communicating with one of their nicer (but less senior) moderators who sympathised with me a bit.

 

The other mod was actually nice and asked me to stick around, so I tidied up my OP and added a reply a) adding more detail and saying I’m willing to help out and call a bit of a truce if the silent mod will also improve their behaviour a little, and if they agree, leave my post alone (or at least just edit the comments out and leave the on-topic content intact, if they must).

It was silently deleted.

I think that says it all about their attitude there.

 

In all honesty I don’t have a problem with the donation thing. Tonymac himself takes what can be rather difficult-to-follow bits and pieces and writes them in a more accessible format: good old Plain English. I think that’s a service worth supporting, in principle, though yes.. he should give credit where it’s due.

I DO have a problem with the attitude of some of their moderators though, and as such I refuse to contribute any more (by the time I'm done with this post I'll probably be banned anyway), especially knowing that any of it could be deleted at any time without warning. It would seem that they’d rather chase willing contributors away, which seems silly to me as I’m only trying to help  - though I’m sure, not before making a note of the advice so they can use it to garner donations at a later date.

 

For what it's worth, the summary of my improved help, after using their beastly tools (hehe sorry, I didn't realise just mentioning the tools by name would be censored, but that's fair enough) and having my machine crashing and KPing all over the place, is basically to just use Clover (they have a good guide on their own site, heh).  And possibly patch the BIOS (not certain if it's strictly necessary).  Supposedly they make things easier - that was true once but on any modern system following their outdated tools will just cause problems and lead you to believe you can't turn your machine into a Hackintosh, especially if you use Asus gear.  Perhaps Tony's sponsored by Gigabyte.

 

 

 

Edit: The friendly mod looked into it for me and can actually restore my post after all.. it was automatically moderated not because I linked to here but because I linked to "macbreaker" apparently (I think it hosted the wifi driver or something, and it seems they don't like that site).  This however doesn't change the fact the less friendly silent ninja mod kept deleting my follow-ups (including deleting some of the friendly mod's posts, so even their own people aren't safe!) so my opinion of them stands.  I feel bad for the friendly one having to watch contributors get chased off by other members of their team - I've had to politely decline the offer to restore my post as a matter of principle at this point, which seems unfair after trying to help me out as this one mod actually wants to see the site succeed.  Alas, they only have the actions of their other mods to blame.

[mnfesq]

Nice comment, Cloudane, and welcome to the club.  I had a post about installing OS X on an HP Envy 17 and the post had about 15 pages of comments and supplements.  When I was banned, that entire post was removed.  Now, all they have is a bunch of small posts asking for help with the HP Envy 17.  In the end, it's not my problem and those users with the HP Envy 17 laptop can find my posts here if they simply use Google.  Unfortunately, that's a tall order for many Tonymacx86 users.

[Cloudane]

Indeed.. well they'll figure things out soon enough anyway, either that or someone else there than buy a Z97 and be a guinea pig

 

Welp, it was inevitable, here's my badge of honour:

Hey there, stalky tonymac mod!  Congratulations, you're a total {censored} c:  Enjoy banning all your users!

(Hehe... there's a certain irony to being called arrogant by their mod.)

 

One thing I never really thought of was that I might have had some old posts there that I was going back to for my own reference purposes, but pretty sure I had things backed up to my private wiki by now.  (All of my posts have been deleted and my existence there erased from history, of course - going the full mile with his delete button makes that silly little nerd hiding even his virtual identity, feel like a big man.)

[SRSR333]

Nice post, Cloudane. I've managed to toe the line so far(nearly got banned by making a joke out of torrenting, seems they can't take humour. Managed to get out of it by convincing the mods that it was merely a joke). I joined them back in early 2011. The only thing they've changed a lot is their UI (looks whiter). I was happening to scroll through their forum rules a short while ago, and I think a more apt name for tonymacx86 is The Democratic People's Republic of tonymacx86. Or even better, The Union of tonymac Socialist Republics.

I only hang around there because RehabMan's there; furthermore, their laptop forum is slightly more active than that here. I like helping people.

[Mieze]

 I was happening to scroll through their forum rules a short while ago, and I think a more apt name for tonymacx86 is The Democratic People's Republic of tonymacx86. Or even better, The Union of tonymac Socialist Republics.

 

Well, taking their policy and forum rules into account, I think that Nationalsozialistisches Hachintoshing Korps (National Socialist Hackintoshing Corps) would be a more appropriate name for them.

 

Mieze

[SRSR333]

Well, taking their policy and forum rules into account, I think that Nationalsozialistisches Hachintoshing Korps (National Socialist Hackintoshing Corps) would be a more appropriate name for them.

 

Mieze

Haha! Yeah, makes sense. NSHC, DPRT, or USTR, all the same. They're excessively authoritarian.

 

Refugees, defectors and the deported, you're gladly welcome to take up a citizenship with the Republic of InsanelyMac. University degree not required. All we want is an interest in computers and a willingness to persevere and some independence to have your problems solved.

 

P.S. I do understand Deutsch, if only a little. Learnt it for two years but then quit because the grammar was too hard.

[mendietinha]

tonycrap is always seeing this topic to ban people in his forum.

 

lunatic.

[PerkyMango]

 

So, how's the club?

 

 

This is just.... :sigh:

[SRSR333]

And now I've been deported as well:

 

Worst thing is, I don't know why. I haven't posted there in several weeks.

tonycrap is always seeing this topic to ban people in his forum.

 

lunatic.

Perhaps that's why I got banned now. Dammit. I'm going to miss RehabMan's tips.

[Mieze]

Perhaps that's why I got banned now. Dammit.

 

I don't think so. Your post made me curious and I tried to log in at tonymacx86. I was really surprised that my account is still functional although I have been criticizing him here in this thread for a long time. Looks like they aren't consistent with regard to the way they treat people who criticize them or maybe they just forgot to ban me forever.

 

Mieze

[carbo178]

I don't think so. Your post made me curious and I tried to log in at tonymacx86. I was really surprised that my account is still functional although I have been criticizing him here in this thread for a long time. Looks like they aren't consistent with regard to the way they treat people who criticize them or maybe they just forgot to ban me forever.

 

Mieze

I Remember that your account has been banned for about a month, if I'm not mistaken it had to do with the Realtek drivers.

 

Tony losing you has lost a lot, we have earned an excellent developer

[Mieze]

I Remember that your account has been banned for about a month, if I'm not mistaken it had to do with the Realtek drivers.

 

Yes, because I criticized the lnx2mac driver. Maybe I should send the Führer a PM and ask him to delete my account at their forum as I don't need it anymore.

 

Mieze

 

Edit: Done! Now I'm curious how long it will take until my account at tonymacx86.com gets deleted.

Edited June 2, 2014 by Mieze

[mendietinha]

wont take long... hahaha