Intel HD Graphics / GMA 5700

[Leon Hong]

OK, and many many thanks to dear Moderator Masters!! Without your hard working, we cannot discuss the Intel HD things peacefully.

 

Now the thread get back in a clean form like it is supposed to be!! Let us concentrate on the tests and discoveries!!

 

I do think setting up a test machine very important to make the Intel HD working properly!! I know the hacking things. I had seen it 2 or 3 times before. Sometimes you have to open it and put some hard-wiring on the MOBO to make it work, then you get back to software level to rewrite the codes that mimic the real wired-pairs-functions and test all the codes after you removed the wires again!! Repeat all the procedures over and over, thus lesser and lesser real wire-pairs are needed, and finally there is no any wire on the test machine and the codes are rewrite into a correct form!! That is the HACKING, and it is something I cannot do because of my lacking in hardware knowledges!!

 

So, let us get that test machine thus Alex can hack it ASAP. There are great hackers all over the world (even in this forum), but for the time being Alex is the ONLY one willing to help publicly. Anybody has an idea that how much we need to pay a hacker to do the hacking things? More than we can imagine or afford!! Maybe 100 test machines or so, only the company guys want to do it in that way for digging others' sealed secrets!! From now on, let us ONLY talk about the tests and results and leave the arguments behind. If anybody is still with us, please help us with the test machine ASAP. If not interested, please keep quiet and see what's happening!! All the results will be published here once they really happened.

 

And Alex, welcome back!!

 

Best regards

 

Leon

[Alessandro17]

And he's back. Am I the only one here that noticed that his new name is 'penisnigger' spelled backward? Or are we all just keeping quiet?

 

Yes, he is back because I wanted so. Except for going over the top with his {censored} porno (and he paid for that) his was an opinion worth being considered.

No, you aren't the only one who noticed that his nick was 'penisnigger' spelled backward. In fact I changed it before reading this post of yours.

 

Overall I am disconcerted about this matter. It is not in the spirit of this community, which was founded by a bunch of enthusiasts who had all but money in their minds. We have tried to keep it that way. Our team (staff) works for free, normally several hours a day.

If it were only about buying a test machine, I wouldn't have anything against it.

But it is all this talk about money, ownership, "I don't work for free", "I do what I want with my stuff" that causes me unease. I repeat: it is not in the spirit of this community. This was meant to be a sharing, caring community.

I don't know what I am going to do yet, I am going to ask for the opinion of other members of staff.

[Alex Chin]

Yes, he is back because I wanted so. Except for going over the top with his {censored} porno (and he paid for that) his was an opinion worth being considered.

No, you aren't the only one who noticed that his nick was 'penisnigger' spelled backward. In fact I changed it before reading this post of yours.

 

Overall I am disconcerted about this matter. It is not in the spirit of this community, which was founded by a bunch of enthusiasts who had all but money in their minds. We have tried to keep it that way. Our team (staff) works for free, normally several hours a day.

If it were only about buying a test machine, I wouldn't have anything against it.

But it is all this talk about money, ownership, "I don't work for free", "I do what I want with my stuff" that causes me unease. I repeat: it is not in the spirit of this community. This was meant to be a sharing, caring community.

I don't know what I am going to do yet, I am going to ask for the opinion of other members of staff.

Totally understood, I agree as well.

 

Started this with the hope some people may be interested to fund a possible solution.

 

It has panned out all different.

 

Your board, your rules. I hope I haven't broken any, nor crossed any line.

 

Please let us know your decision, either by a post or PM to myself or John. If the decision is to shut it down, that's also fair enough.

 

Regards,

 

Alex

[shepdog]

Overall I am disconcerted about this matter. It is not in the spirit of this community, which was founded by a bunch of enthusiasts who had all but money in their minds. We have tried to keep it that way. Our team (staff) works for free, normally several hours a day.

If it were only about buying a test machine, I wouldn't have anything against it.

But it is all this talk about money, ownership, "I don't work for free", "I do what I want with my stuff" that causes me unease. I repeat: it is not in the spirit of this community. This was meant to be a sharing, caring community.

I don't know what I am going to do yet, I am going to ask for the opinion of other members of staff.

 

This is what got me. I don't know how it went from him asking if anyone in his area had the proper equipment for him to work with, to him requesting a laptop and then some. I would have gladly mailed out my laptop, had he accepted my offer. Not only that, but there is also the idea of keeping the solution private. It just seems so backwards when you look at everything that is done to keep OSX86 going.

[Alex Chin]

This is what got me. I don't know how it went from him asking if anyone in his area had the proper equipment for him to work with, to him requesting a laptop and then some. I would have gladly mailed out my laptop, had he accepted my offer. Not only that, but there is also the idea of keeping the solution private. It just seems so backwards when you look at everything that is done to keep OSX86 going.

I reckon getting branded a scammer REALLY pissed me off.

 

Truly.

 

I was still at one stage entertaining the idea of shipping your machine, however I thought also:

 

What happens if it get lost/damaged etc?

Other people's property, and now I've become responsible for that.

 

Hence the community machine, up for grabs by the one who hacks it, and the rules and the votes by everyone involved. I don't know where shepdog got the idea I intended to keep it private. Don't look at me. I do recall somebody saying withold the results for 6 months somewhere though, wasn't me.

 

Perhaps the way I write offended fgt and he decided to brand me a con man via the PM, whatever.

 

Anyhow, it's become what it's become. There is still goodwill here, but there's also very bad feelings here now.

 

It was never my intention to cause any hard feelings, I am sure most of you know that. I shall wait for the moderator's decision, if they want to shut it down, then that's their prerogative. Not my board, their board, their rules.

 

Regards,

 

Alex

[buoo]

to Alex Chin

 

I think you are not a bad person and I believe you want really find a complete solution for this hardware, but the money are wrong here. As you can see on this board there are many expert users that share their projects and works. I had to reboot my new mobo 2000 times to get it working properly risking to break it. Only now I have written a guide.

I know, it's dangerous to work on this kind of things, and I think it is not wrong to accumulate some pennies to buy a notebook for the test, but you should do this in private with other users, or at least something like this http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=253395 "donate".

I'd like to remember that, me, Alessandro, Ermac, ...the staff, are here for you . When you have particular ideas, why do not you communicate it to us? This will avoid unpleasant actions and ensure that it is done in the best way.

 

Francesco

[jlp]

I've been a member for over 5 years. I agree with the spirit and the mission of the forums, to share information and help others out. I've been following this thread as I've been struggling with my own build. There has been talk of a test machine for some time. I raised my hand to help out just to get the ball rolling. I benefit too here with my toshiba, but it looked like everyone was waiting for someone to take the first step. I figured we'd have the test machine off in a week or so with so many interested parties.

 

We had no contributions yesterday, the pot is still at 160.57. And as Alex and I have said before, I can refund all the money with just a few mouse clicks.

 

Thanks

[oki270]

I followed this thread all along even though I have no direct involvement in it since I don't own i5CPU anymore (as I stated earlier - I went to dark side and bought MBP) but there are few things that seem a little off.

 

-> At first talk was about community machine (even thought that concept is meaningless)

 

-> Right after few provocative PM's from fgtmoron, Alex'es ego had it's major play emphasizing things like "ownership", "not working for free" etc etc. To me, as objective observer this seems a 180 turn and appears that not all intentions here were very clear from the beginning.

 

Alex, you state that you are the only one who has certain Toshiba model fully working (I watched the video and kudos to you for making it work). But you also say that John is your friend and that he needs this solution and you still didn't help him. I dunno what is your definition of a friend, but here in europe we help people we call friends no matter what.

 

Keeping solution private is fine. Bragging about it to raise your ego is not a good behavior even thought it is regularly seen in IT community where most IT people are very introvert so I guess that is the only possible way to reassure yourself that you are worth. (Don't get this the wrong way - I personally am in IT and introvert).

 

Asking for osx86 community to pay your work is totally off. This community is created by people who's first intention was to learn something, to have fun learning and absolutely everything I am aware of was shared for free. Unfortunately this community changed a lot since it's start (I started here with OSX Tiger - so it was a long time ago). Now we have people demanding to be payed and we have people who are not willing to learn anything - just "demand" solution for their problem. If you ask me - all this is going totally wrong. Maybe that is the reason why original contributors to Voodoo projects mostly don't work on them anymore.

 

I can see you use Chameleon or one of it's forks. How much money you donated for it? (I am a contributor to Chameleon project also). Any ideas how much time chameleon developers integrated in this product and all that without asking for any money? That is what this community should be all about.

 

And one last thing - it's ok to ask for donations AFTER you have working solution. Demanding donations in advance hoping that you will be able to make a solution is against any normal behavior in this community (and I am sure that you don't get payed for your consultancy if you can't deliver solution). Even mentioning possibility to keep solution private against those who do not participate should never happen on this board.

 

I really hope moderators will remember how this community started and keep that spirit in the future by not giving a chance to be ruined.

 

Thank you and best regards,

Oki

[jlp]

Up to 180.57

Thanks

[Alex Chin]

-> Right after few provocative PM's from fgtmoron, Alex'es ego had it's major play emphasizing things like "ownership", "not working for free" etc etc. To me, as objective observer this seems a 180 turn and appears that not all intentions here were very clear from the beginning.

I must have not made it clear enough then. It was I believe I'd be able to hack it to work, but didn't see myself buying (spending money on) an old outdated machine to prove the point. Perhaps somebody had an old machine they didn't need for this endevour. Or brought one over. If not, get a cheap one.

 

Alex, you state that you are the only one who has certain Toshiba model fully working (I watched the video and kudos to you for making it work). But you also say that John is your friend and that he needs this solution and you still didn't help him. I dunno what is your definition of a friend, but here in europe we help people we call friends no matter what.

I never said John was my friend, but it looks like it's becoming that way. Fact of the matter, I've even said in the forums I don't know him, but I think it's fair for him to provide details to everybody interested.

 

I've been in touch with him regarding this Toshiba.

 

Keeping solution private is fine.

Agreed.

 

Bragging about it to raise your ego is not a good behavior even thought it is regularly seen in IT community where most IT people are very introvert so I guess that is the only possible way to reassure yourself that you are worth. (Don't get this the wrong way - I personally am in IT and introvert).

Also agreed. Never was there any bragging. Until asked to provide proof that I'm not a fraud.

 

Asking for osx86 community to pay your work is totally off. This community is created by people who's first intention was to learn something, to have fun learning and absolutely everything I am aware of was shared for free. Unfortunately this community changed a lot since it's start (I started here with OSX Tiger - so it was a long time ago). Now we have people demanding to be payed and we have people who are not willing to learn anything - just "demand" solution for their problem. If you ask me - all this is going totally wrong. Maybe that is the reason why original contributors to Voodoo projects mostly don't work on them anymore.

Agreed. My work (hacking) was offered for free, (mostly for me to prove the point). The hardware however, I didn't see myself buying just to prove the point. And, if I did buy the hardware, and proved the point, I don't think I'd brag about it either.

 

Nobody would know about it. I may let out that it's possible, but that would have been about it.

 

I can see you use Chameleon or one of it's forks. How much money you donated for it? (I am a contributor to Chameleon project also). Any ideas how much time chameleon developers integrated in this product and all that without asking for any money? That is what this community should be all about.

This one, I'm guilty of not contributing money.

 

And one last thing - it's ok to ask for donations AFTER you have working solution. Demanding donations in advance hoping that you will be able to make a solution is against any normal behavior in this community (and I am sure that you don't get payed for your consultancy if you can't deliver solution).

Chicken and egg problem. If I don't want to come up with money for an old outdated class machine, how to prove the point?

 

Never was there demand - I put it out to the community to gauge the feeling. As the moderators pointed out, this was wrong. I have been a member for probably a good 4 years also, always lurking and reading now and then. This must have been my first post here.

 

Obviously, I didn't know the procedures for the forum here, and how things are done. That's my bad.

 

Even mentioning possibility to keep solution private against those who do not participate should never happen on this board.

Read above. In our IT field (you and I), when we get commissioned for a project, it's NDA and so forth. This means whatever work we do, paid by the customer, is secret. We cannot even talk about it. Not even to our wives. I would expect this also applies here. Especially if 30 people paid for it.

 

I suggested voting.

My bad.

 

I really hope moderators will remember how this community started and keep that spirit in the future by not giving a chance to be ruined.

 

Thank you and best regards,

Oki

 

As I said before, not knowing how the community here works, the procedures, what's right and wrong, I admit I'm at fault here.

 

I did suggest John start another thread earlier, and now I know about the donate thing. All a little late.

 

Where to go from here? Refund all money, make a donate page?

 

Give up, move on?

 

Definitely a lot of procedures here. Me, I said I just want to do what I do best, hack it. And prove the point. Hence the offer to hack , if presented with a piece of hardware. No charge. If I failed, still no charge. Next hacker in line, gets the hardware.

 

Let's wrap this up. If what I've done is all wrong, and my personal intentions of hacking it to prove it can be done, are wrong, then we just forget about it.

 

Just a flash in the pan. Nothing happened.

 

We'll refund everything (I don't want to be called a fraud, although that's already been done, and then some).

 

That was the whole reason I didn't want to be involved, asking John (a stranger to me at the time) to deal with this.

 

I have no access to monies collected, it's not in my hands.

 

That being said, I like John, we've been talking about our Toshiba's. Once this is over, he and I will make the best R835 hackintosh machines out there.

 

Regards,

 

Alex

[SaltSachet]

@AlexChin.. Just to be clear, you definately intend to share the solution with the people who donate, yes?

[Alex Chin]

@AlexChin.. Just to be clear, you definately intend to share the solution with the people who donate, yes?

Yes, as per my original post, you get full help me rights. Everyone does.

 

This is all moot now, because I can't find the original post.

 

What I started was not the right way to do it, so I've instructed John to refund everything.

 

I'm sorry it didn't work out. Maybe I'll still go buy a machine anyway, just to prove to myself that I can do it.

 

Regards,

 

Alex

[SaltSachet]

if you do buy your own machine, and find a solution, and help me, I'll donate the money to a charity. What charity do you suggest? (I want to give to a charity I think is worthwhile). And I think everybody else should do the same.

[oki270]

if you do buy your own machine, and find a solution, and help me, I'll donate the money to a charity. What charity do you suggest? (I want to give to a charity I think is worthwhile). And I think everybody else should do the same.

 

That would be fair deal. Good idea SS.

[sinzim]

Why not just donate to Alex instead? It will give him more time to work on projects like these and give to the community. Time is money and money is time =)

[jlp]

Refunds have gone out. No further contributions will be accepted.

All the best

[SaltSachet]

thanks jlp at least i no longer have that feeling of 'i hope im not giving my money away to a scam' xD... (are the wounds healed yet?.. sorry...) <--- JOKE

 

If somebody does find a quality solution, I will donate £10 to a worthwhile charity and everyone else should do the same. It's a way of doing something good for the world and having fun doing it , and helping others out too.

[funnybot]

Read above. In our IT field (you and I), when we get commissioned for a project, it's NDA and so forth. This means whatever work we do, paid by the customer, is secret. We cannot even talk about it. Not even to our wives. I would expect this also applies here. Especially if 30 people paid for it.

 

I suggested voting.

My bad.

 

correct. except osx86 is not a business. you can talk about it to whoever you wish to and whenever you wish to, its not a private, secret thing. people are paying you a test machine and obviously the test machine is not what people want even though one may be needed to reach the solution, which is what people are interested into. so if you say 30 people paid for it, you say 30 people were willing to help you develop a solution by donating towards the test machine, they are not paying for a product, and you seem to be treating this entire osx86 thing as one.

 

you had a previous post saying that $10 was the minimum amount to be considered an investor. again, this is not a product and i do believe whoever wishes to contribute can do it with whatever amount they feel like contributing with, be it $1 or $1000, a contribution is a contribution no matter what. people donating are not buying your product, they are willing to get you a test machine. in physics, if you apply a force over a block thats standing still relative to the surface it should accelerate. if you reduce the force by half its not going to stop the cube from accelerating, its going to accelerate at a slower rate. i think that concept applies here as a $1 donation may not help as much as a $100 one but it still won't make the project go backwards.

 

i hope you understand what I'm saying here, those 30 people who are contributing towards a test machine are not paying for your product. they are helping you develop a solution and i believe releasing it only to those 30 or so people is wrong considering what the entire community is (or at least used to be) about. don't get me wrong, i don't own an i5 laptop and i won't be benefiting from this if that was what you were thinking. i own a macbook and i intend to buy a macbook pro as my next laptop.

 

as you stated a few posts back Mac OS X is a great operating system and i do believe people wanting to use it should do so even if they don't own apple hardware. i myself used an acer running leopard before i bought my mac and i can tell you, i would have never bought a mac without testing it on a daily basis. osx86 allowed me to to so and based on that i think selling your stuff as a product is not the right thing to do on this community. I'm not against donations, just look at all those hackers working on jailbreaks for iOS devices, they often accept donations. they don't, however, ask for a minimum amount like you were doing before.

 

yes, this is former fgt/regginsinep if you are wondering that...

 

 

regards,

funnybot

[fnc777]

It's sad to see this die so quickly. This thread has gained more posts in the last couple of days than it has during certain months.

 

I really hope that this project can be continued, I have been following this thread for quite some time now and this is my first post in this forum as well. I was really excited when someone might be able to find a solution and get mac on my laptop.

 

I wish you all the best, maybe one day we will all have Mac on our Arrandales.

[sinzim]

I still don't think that wanting pay for work hours is wrong.. If it's a choice between not doing a project and working extra hours to make the ends meet or doing the project and accepting donations/payments it's up to the 'investors' how much it is worth to them

 

I'm looking in to what I have to learn to get savvy on this kexthacking business, propably way over my head, but I want to learn

[Alex Chin]

correct. except osx86 is not a business.

 

<snip/>

 

yes, this is former fgt/regginsinep if you are wondering that...

 

 

regards,

funnybot

Now that all the dust has settled, money refunded, I have a question:

 

With your PMs to me, and comments regarding all the members here, as well as the pictures.. were you

 

a) Trying to provoke a rise out of me

Defame me

c) Belittle everybody

d) Make sure the project fails

 

What? I still haven't worked that one out to be honest. From what I can see, it's all of the above.

 

The reality of the situation, is right now, there is still no solution.

As an Engineer, I would say the project has failed.

 

You've stated you have no interest to see this succeed, you have a real Mac after using OSX86.

So whether this fails or succeeds, no difference to you.

 

So why all the disruptions. I'm curious, just answer me this one..

 

Regards,

 

Alex

[funnybot]

Now that all the dust has settled, money refunded, I have a question:

 

With your PMs to me, and comments regarding all the members here, as well as the pictures.. were you

 

a) Trying to provoke a rise out of me

Defame me

c) Belittle everybody

d) Make sure the project fails

 

What? I still haven't worked that one out to be honest. From what I can see, it's all of the above.

 

The reality of the situation, is right now, there is still no solution.

As an Engineer, I would say the project has failed.

 

You've stated you have no interest to see this succeed, you have a real Mac after using OSX86.

So whether this fails or succeeds, no difference to you.

 

So why all the disruptions. I'm curious, just answer me this one..

 

Regards,

 

Alex

 

i dont do my stuff only out of personal wills. what i did here was for the spirit of the entire osx86 community, which has obviously gone downhill over time. i disapprove you acting like osx86 is a business. i do not care about donations or a test machine, i do not approve, however, that you act like its a product you're selling. your business is your business, this forum is not your business so don't try to make it look like the opposite. i also disapprove your disclosure of my PM's, they certainly were disconcerting but what happened should have happened in private, if i actually wanted to bring this to the public i'd have posted on the forums instead.

 

none of those reasons you posted are correct because:

1) i do not know you, i hate people who act full of themselves and then act like they're selling a product. again, that goes agains the entire osx86 "sprit".

2) defamation? why, it was just a PM you disclosed and gave birth to all of this...

3) belittle? nope... i'd love to see more hardware being supported by mac os x, even if i don't specifically own the hardware.

4) the project would be awesome if it worked... clearly you do not understand my point.

 

The osx86 community started up as a hobby, that meant people created stuff for it on their free time whenever they wanted to and then distributed it freely. again, it won't affect me personally if the project succeeds, but its painful to see a community that one day was welcoming and helpful becoming some sort of business where people try to actually sell a solution or at least act like what they are doing is a product. please re read my previous post carefully and try not to dodge it next time.

 

this is a summarized version of the above text if you did now read it all:

 

1) osx86 is not about making money, its about community.

2) osx86 is not a product, don't try and act like what you're doing is a product.

3) none of the reasons you posted are correct. please check post above.

4) people are not donating money to buy what you're acting like its your product, they are getting you a test machine, different stuff...

5) test machines are to test. test machines are not your product. you won't give the test machine to those 30 people who donated, they are looking for a bunch of files that may make it work. those files are what you call product.

 

6) again, i, unlike you, also act on stuff I'm not directly related to. I'm not related to the hardware you are trying to make it work. its not about the hardware. its about the community. this is not a job. if you do wish to continue the project then do it, just don't act like its your product and do it in your free time, whenever you feel like doing so, like everyone else who participated in the project.

 

7) a few years ago the channel #osx86 on irc.mofspeak.net was helpful to those willing to get os x working on their pc's. i was mildly knowledgeable about it so i helped people there. i spent countless hours there and made friends there i keep in touch with to this date. i actually was granted half operator privileges there for my help, but i lost it after losing access to a computer for almost a year, which made my nickname there unregister because of inactivity.

 

PS: i do not care about this project in specific, what i would like to see maintained is the spirit of this community i hope you understand that.

 

your question is answered. now please don't dodge my posts. you are not making a product.

 

edited to correct some english errors

[sinzim]

Could you please from now on try to keep this thread on-topic? I try to subscribe to this thread by e-mail hoping something good eventually will come out of it, but instead I am enduring a game of how many bans it will take to make kids grow up. Continue this in PM if you must, I hope nobody is interested in your flawed rhetoric and finger pointing, I for one is not. If you truly are interested in the community then start _contributing_ to it in a respectful manner so that something productive can come out of it. Thanks

[Alessandro17]

I have made up my mind: this topic is dying of a natural death, I don't see any further potential in it.

It isn't the fault of one or two people, it is just the way it is. There are basically two factions, who will never come to an agreement.

Hence I am going to close it.

Sorry people, I hope next time you do better.