Windows Vista

[pyrates]

Because PC's don't have the lifespan that Macs do, that's why It has been shown that when you compensate for this effect Macs do very well, thank you very much

 

Sure they do. I'm using a PC here that is around 7 years old as a linux server. Helps not having a built in monitor as I can use then that monitor for that PC with a newer or upgraded one. I've got another one that is around 10 years old and that one is running as a nat router with all sorts of addons for it to make it do what I need it to do. Just needed to add another nic to it and that was all it needed in terms of hardware. What Mac can do that? That isn't a Mac Pro that is. I don't need to spend that much on a computer.

 

Yeah, just ask Microsoft. LOL

 

So in this case you're saying Microsoft = Apple in terms of monopolistic practices

[Colonel Ingus]

I'm using a PC here that is around 7 years old as a linux server.

And I've got a Commodore 64 that still works. Big whoop I didn't say that there couldn't be exceptions, I said that generally speaking for most people PC's simply don't have the lifespan that Macs do, and they don't. Deal with it.

 

So in this case you're saying Microsoft = Apple in terms of monopolistic practices

Not at all.

 

I'm saying that no one does it better, or is better known than Microsoft for monopolistic practices, but then you already knew that

[pyrates]

And I've got a Commodore 64 that still works. Big whoop I didn't say that there couldn't be exceptions, I said that generally speaking for most people PC's simply don't have the lifespan that Macs do, and they don't. Deal with it.

 

I'd like to know your sources from where you got this interesting fact. As far as I know, Mac's last just as long as PC's. How exactly does an older PC start to break down compared to a PC? I'd like to know exactly how this occurs since the only moving parts in a PC are the fans and the hard drive and cd/dvd-rom drive.

 

I have read studies that Mac's are in use for 5 years by some people, but so are PC's by some people. The people who upgrade every 2 years do so because they want to. Not because it breaks down.

 

And if your installation of Windows is no longer supported, put Ubuntu on their. The only exception is where it no longer is useful as a desktop and it starts to become useful as a server.

 

Not at all.

 

I'm saying that no one does it better, or is better known than Microsoft for monopolistic practices, but then you already knew that

 

Apple is getting their. They've always been monopolistic and arrogant, and it has cost them market share.

 

Now where is the Mac Desktop without a monitor that is not a mini? I've got my custom built PC with a core 2 quad q6600. I don't feel like having to use Xeon CPU's with more expensive ram, when this is used for encoding/gaming. So why isn't a mac like this offered? The monitor obviously lasts longer then the computer. Usually around 7 years at least. Wouldn't you all like to buy a desktop Mac without the built in Monitor so that you only need to change your monitor when it no longer works instead of whenever you get a new Mac? This is what keeps me on the PC side of things. Last time I checked the price of a 24" lcd that is 1920x1200 was around $500-$800 depending on which brand you went with. I'd rather spend that money for it once every 7+ years and just replace what I need to replace or spend that extra money I save on a higher end computer that I normally wouldn't have been able to get if I had to buy a new monitor every time.

[Colonel Ingus]

I'd like to know your sources from where you got this interesting fact.

Google is your friend. If I do all the research for you and dig it up do you promise to go away, or will you just whine about something else? Come on now, be honest

 

and it has cost them market share.

LOL If by 'cost' you mean 'gain' then you're right.

 

Their market share has be consistently gaining over the years, and once Leopard comes out - look out Betty

[pyrates]

Google is your friend. If I do all the research for you and dig it up do you promise to go away, or will you just whine about something else? Come on now, be honest

 

If you can't back up your facts, I wouldn't call them facts then. I'd call them fud.

 

LOL If by 'cost' you mean 'gain' then you're right.

 

Their market share has be consistently gaining over the years, and once Leopard comes out - look out Betty

 

Well back in the 90's Mac's had 15-20% market share. Until Apple canceled the clones, because Apple was losing money since they were taking all of Apple's business. Apple never does well with competition it seems.

 

From what I can see with Leopard, sure it'll increase sales. But enough to make a difference? Nope. This same argument has been brought up every year by Mac users. Guess they must be thinking if they shout it out enough, it'll come true.

[Colonel Ingus]

If you can't back up your facts, I wouldn't call them facts

I'm not interested in what you call them, I'm interested in your answer to the question

 

Well back in the 90's Mac's had 15-20% market share.

 

...and Sir Mix-A-Lot was all the rage with 'Baby Got Back'

 

From what I can see with Leopard, sure it'll increase sales. But enough to make a difference? Nope.

I'm SO GLAD you said that. I can't wait to quote you on it later in the year

[pyrates]

I'm not interested in what you call them, I'm interested in your answer to the question

 

And I'm interested in your sources of your so called facts. What you are trying to do is called an appeal to ignorance. You state something as fact, without actually showing that it is a fact. And when confronted about it, you insist instead for me to find evidence to counter it when in fact, you're trying to avoid giving the source I asked for in the first place. My point was based on my opinion and experience. Is yours opinion too? How often do you buy a new Mac? Don't you wish you didn't have to buy a new monitor every time?

 

...and Sir Mix-A-Lot was all the rage with 'Baby Got Back'

 

Still shows that Apple had that market share and they lost it.

 

I'm SO GLAD you said that. I can't wait to quote you on it later in the year

 

And like I said, the same thing was said with OS X Tiger. You never see one hardware maker in a market dominate when other companies can bring out similiar products that have all the same functions and are cheaper. I bet if their was mac clones out their, that OS X's market share would grow. And the first thing they'd come out with would be a mid range Mac Desktop that's not a Mac Pro and is not a Mac Mini.

[bofors]

Well, I have been using Vista off and on now for about six months. In some ways it is big improvement over XP. But it still is just Windows, it really is not comparable to OS X.

[EFI]

You never see one hardware maker in a market dominate when other companies can bring out similiar products that have all the same functions and are cheaper.

 

That product already exists. It's called the iPod.

[bofors]

That product already exists. It's called the iPod.

 

The Sony Walkman also dominated but computers are different because the functionality is all in the OS. The hardware really does not matter much, OSx86 and Windows prove it.

[R2k.]

The Sony Walkman also dominated but computers are different because the functionality is all in the OS. The hardware really does not matter much, OSx86 and Windows prove it.

 

agree with you,and i think that 80% of computer good work is software ...

you can have the best hardware on the market,but if you have wrong(bad) drivers or incompatible os ... than you are

 

 

~R

[bofors]

agree with you,and i think that 80% of computer good work is software ...

 

I'd say 99%. I mean, it just does not matter which kind of PC one buys to run Windows, as long as the things run the experience is the same. Likewise, my hackint0shes are 90% as good as Macs in terms user experience. So, I still think Steve Jobs is making a big mistake by not licensing OS X to PC vendors like Dell, HP and Sony.

[bwhsh8r]

I'm not interested in what you call them, I'm interested in your answer to the question

...and Sir Mix-A-Lot was all the rage with 'Baby Got Back'

I'm SO GLAD you said that. I can't wait to quote you on it later in the year

stupid fanboy.

 

 

& ive been using vista, hasnt crashed or gotten one virus =]

 

 

lil bit slow though.... i must admit.

 

 

i use osx too, & i dont really like it.......

[bofors]

& ive been using vista, hasnt crashed or gotten one virus =]

 

I have a couple pet peeves with Vista. The "business" version I have been using did not even come with DVD player. I had to go done load something, and since I don't use Windows much, it is a hassle to find free software.

 

What I really hate, other then all the annoying pop-up dialog boxes asking me if I want to do what I want, is that the Control-Alt-Delete no longer brings up a "task manager" directly. No, instead another screen comes up with a task manager on that menu.

[Colonel Ingus]

ive been using vista, hasnt crashed or gotten one virus

Patience grasshopper, patience

[Dwight F]

Patience grasshopper, patience

Hey, could you maybe hold your breath until he does?

 

@bofos: Roger that on annoyance of "Business" not having the required codec to play a DVD. I guess it is sort of a work aimed thing but still it seems odd. Actually the whole 6 or whatever different Vista desktop products seems odd. I personally just booted over to my x86, which is an Ultimate, to watch Deadwood. I think the reason that the codecs aren't included has to do with the licensing royalty that MS would have to cough up for them.

[bwhsh8r]

Hey, could you maybe hold your breath until he does?

 

 

lol hed die, its been over a year, and i dont use antivirus, firewall, or any other sort of scanner, although i used spybot s&d the other day to verify my clames of cleanness =] (o and adaware se) which is surprising since i use warez, a lil bit o porn, {censored} liek that.... stuff thats supposed to get you infected =D

 

 

& bofors, that should have only been the EU versions that do not support it, but i would just install klite codec pack or combined community codec pack, that should fix it up for you =]

 

& MyMac8MyPC, if it was xp id agree with you, because ive {censored}ed alot of xp installs, but vista is surprising me ( i thought it would be dead by now, or deleted out of buggyness.... i tested those {censored} betas! but it hasnt yet.... ill be sure to post here when it does though)

[Dwight F]

& MyMac8MyPC, if it was xp id agree with you, because ive {censored}ed alot of xp installs, but vista is surprising me ( i thought it would be dead by now, or deleted out of buggyness.... i tested those {censored} betas! but it hasnt yet.... ill be sure to post here when it does though)

I know others have had some real issues with video drivers. I personally largely avoided Nvidia cards because of that. I've had Vista crash, actually really nasty hang as it didn't even blue scene, but only on several year old machine (EDIT: a Nvidia card in it too). Well there were a couple of other times I got a blue screen but that was on a test machine and caused directly by some kernel driver code I was updating and porting to 64-bit.

 

But once you've got the right hardware it is surprising how solid Windows NT can be. I had a Windows 2000 box that I ran as my for years and years (most of those as my main computer, I basically skipped XP on my own desktop) without a single hang/blue screen. Well that was until I installed *spits* Firefox 2.0 on it.

[Colonel Ingus]

Hey, could you maybe hold your breath until he does?

Sorry I never make the same mistake twice, which ironically is the same reason why I'll never be a sucker for another Microsoft OS ever again

[Dwight F]

Sorry I never make the same mistake twice..

Ummmmm......riiight.

[Colonel Ingus]

What you are trying to do is called an appeal to ignorance.

LOL Well at least you admit that you're ignorant about this topic, that's a start, but you're wrong about your premise. For example; let's say that someone told you that most diseases are started in the digestive system. Not knowing anything about medicine you respond by saying "well that's only your opinion. Show us where it says that on the internet". This reveals several things about your way of thinking. First, the internet is not the all knowing source of human knowledge as you believe. People did quit well without the internet before it came along, thank you very much. Secondly, just because you may be ignorant about a topic, doesn't mean that other people are, or that the facts aren't true. It just means that you don't know about these particular facts for one reason or another. That's not necessarily a bad thing, as we all need a starting point to learn from time to time. If I wasn't so busy with other projects, and if I thought that you'd actually be 'open minded' about this topic, I might actually do all of the work and find some links for you, but I think we both know that no matter what facts are displayed here, you will just retaliate with some additional microsoft propaganda, so we might just have to agree to disagree, unless I find some extra time to do your googling for you. Have a great day

[.aero]

LOL Well at least you admit that you're ignorant about this topic, that's a start, but you're wrong about your premise. For example; let's say that someone told you that most diseases are started in the digestive system. Not knowing anything about medicine you respond by saying "well that's only your opinion. Show us where it says that on the internet". This reveals several things about your way of thinking. First, the internet is not the all knowing source of human knowledge as you believe. People did quit well without the internet before it came along, thank you very much. Secondly, just because you may be ignorant about a topic, doesn't mean that other people are, or that the facts aren't true. It just means that you don't know about these particular facts for one reason or another. That's not necessarily a bad thing, as we all need a starting point to learn from time to time. If I wasn't so busy with other projects, and if I thought that you'd actually be 'open minded' about this topic, I might actually do all of the work and find some links for you, but I think we both know that no matter what facts are displayed here, you will just retaliate with some additional microsoft propaganda, so we might just have to agree to disagree, unless I find some extra time to do your googling for you. Have a great day

Do you not understand that what you said earlier was not supported by anything but your opinion? Go ahead and produce some proof or else leave the thread alone.

[Colonel Ingus]

Do you not understand that what you said earlier was not supported by anything but your opinion?

Do you not understand that it is NOT an opinion? Stop being a troll and actually read what is written, and not just what you want to read

[.aero]

I did read what you said and you still have not proven that Macs last longer than PC's. You just try to avoid the topic when it springs up like what you did with Pryates' response and mine. Do you think that by calling me a troll you will deter me from your opinion? Guess again.

[Numberzz]

the viruses will get smarter and windows will get better, but generally microsoft is slower than the ones that try all day to get their virus to work against vista

and egviper...

Haha, no, I just am your personal troll.