Windows Vista

[br0adband]

Personally, I always thought she was a hottie. But I go for the ones that seem innocent from the gitgo anyway. I mean really, go find "Baby Hit Me One More Time." Catholic girl outfit (basically), pigtails, dark hose running halfway up her thighs... please.

 

Nice lips, and if you're careful and you watch for it, she has this particularly sexy way of moving her tongue out, like licking the air, every time she says a word with an "L" in it. I caught it the first time I ever saw that video and was like, "Did she just lick... no way... my my my, this young lady is very interesting..." hehehe

 

She has too many issues nowadays, but damn, just a few short years ago, holy cow. A definite 9 on the Finger Scale... if you don't know what it is, I'm not gonna explain it.

 

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[Guest Ramm]

Personally, I always thought she was a hottie. But I go for the ones that seem innocent from the gitgo anyway. I mean really, go find "Baby Hit Me One More Time." Catholic girl outfit (basically), pigtails, dark hose running halfway up her thighs... please.

 

Nice lips, and if you're careful and you watch for it, she has this particularly sexy way of moving her tongue out, like licking the air, every time she says a word with an "L" in it. I caught it the first time I ever saw that video and was like, "Did she just lick... no way... my my my, this young lady is very interesting..." hehehe

 

She has too many issues nowadays, but damn, just a few short years ago, holy cow. A definite 9 on the Finger Scale... if you don't know what it is, I'm not gonna explain it.

 

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Off topic is right

 

But I think Microsoft did a great job on Vista. They just need to release an "Anti.suck.ASS.framework" update and it will be all set.

[track09]

Dear Pyrates,

 

I want to say that nothing in my post was a personnal quote to anybody, your post seem sometime the opposite with the occasionnal sarcasm style. Maybe I didn't read your post perfectly (I'm a french speaking guy) so don't get upset if it wasn't the case.

 

But to be simple, I was pointing that OS X was far more easy to use for anybody who don't know how to manage perfectly a computer (which I am not!). It is certain that my knowledge of the various Windoze app that can do the best to your computer is not the best knowledge, but with a 12+ years of MS use (and not intensive use) I came up with some tricks to avoid pitfalls of the MS computing. These tricks are not the best, I know it, but they seems to make my computer works.

 

But with a tiny 1 1/2 years of real mac use (owning one to be precise, using them at school long before) I found myself more at ease and more able to secure things in a minute.

 

About the "Conceptual" OS vs Legacy OS, I can point that OS X is platform independent, it's what I mean by "conceptual".

 

When I say that OS X is more stable, it's because I run the two OS, yes I have facts to support my claim. You could say that it's because my hardware don't support Win XP the right way, you may be right, be I'm equally right when I say that this doesn't happen often on OS X.

 

Even OS X is buggy at the release, but less that windoze, why, because of a tight control of the hardware, not because of a Apple Inc. kind of magic, everything is in planning. Being free to use every hardware component on Windoze is a freedom, but freedom has it's cost, problems in compatibility. It's not the fault of MS, it's only a fact. Saying that that africans are in general poorer than the average american is not stating the supremacy of the americans, it's just a fact.

 

Also, even if an install on win XP is all automated, you can't generaly install it without tampering with the registry, the foundation of your OS. It's like if every time I was to put a piece of furniture in my home, I had to change the basement to fit, ridiculous. In my exemple I was pointing out that even if a user uses a program, your OS is not compromised. If it has to touch to the foundations of OS X, admin privilege will be asked.

 

When you talk about iTunes and the mandatory reboot, it's an exemple of a less (or too tightly) integrated app. I don't like that either, but this is one exemple, there are other on OS X, but less than on MS.

 

Yes there are eye candy on OS, but they serve a purpose, or I like to believe it. On the MS line of product, the style is too and less epurated. Too, by this concrete like color everywhere, the squared buttons, the "legacy" hourglass, old style icons... In resumé, it looks dull.

Less epurated is when I think of all the functions displayed at the same time, or in too different places when it should be integrated in on place. Take the conf. panel, every icon is a different app. In each app, you can change a lot of things and sometime, it's rather obscure how you get to a specific control if you're not familiar with the control. On mac, it's far easier. But this is mostly a personnal point of view, so anybody can argue anything on that point, I shouldn't have written it in my first post.

 

When speaking of pop ups, you don't get my point, I'm saying that the default browser on Mac (Safari) is unable to change the OS by default. On MS, IE is a doorway to your system because it's easier for the user to add functions and app this way, but doing this, you loose the security. The average Joe will not look for Firefox, Opera or the like, he will use the default browser. So I think my point is still good, by default, OS X is safer for browsing.

 

As I said earlier, I'm not an intensive user, I would rather say an aware user, so I'm not flawless, and if my way to avoid pitfalls on MS (Norton and Zonealarm) doesn't seems adequate, there are a lot of people out there that are worse than me. So if MS can be safer than OS X in some way that you can imagine, the average Joe is not doing it that way. Then on the average, MS is less secure than OS X. It's my point, and only that.

 

About compatibility, if Linux is more compatible than OS X, then on that point, it's a better OS. Also, on that point OS X is better than MS Windoze. That point is not the overall general rating, it's only a point among others.

 

I'm not a Mac zealot, it's not my religion and Steve Jobs is not my God. I think that Mac are costly. I think Mac users are sometime arrogant, which is very disappointing. But Apple do good computers, they are reliable and beautiful. I have a G4 Lamp (1,600$ CAD) at the school (I'm a teacher and the admin bought me that computer ), it's beautiful, silent and efficient. Didn't crashed once! I have a PC at home, 1,200$ CAD in 2001, it's ugly, noisy and more that 1 time, I lost 10-15 minutes of text writing on Word because the app crashed (thanks to the automated save feature, they knew that it crashed often!). My games quit also very often (NWN, NWN2, others...)

 

Then I would say that i'm not a zealot, but a user, I look for the best OS for my need with the less effort on my part. If MS would do the best OS, I would say that it's the best OS and that OS X is less adequate. Because I'm a user, I don't take firm side, I point what looks like the winner to me, I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure of my guess.

 

Also, note that I hope that both OS (and more) will get in the market with strong OS, competition is good and forces us to get better, it's the adaptation logic.

 

My god, you know nothing about what you are saying. Yet another ignorant convert...

 

You're comments are so unfounded. You don't know about Leopard vs Vista until Leopard comes out. Even until then, you're going to be biased, so your opinion is not subjective and worthless. Enjoy your macs, but don't pitch it to everyone unless you're willing to give full detailed fact behind what you KNOW, and not what you FEEL.

[Conroe Mac]

I am impressed with Vista. It is a big step forward from Xp. I look forward to more gadgets coming out so that Windows users can use a really cool feature that OS X has had for awhile. I run a triple boot setup and I am enjoying OS X a lot. OS X could never replace Vista for me though because of Vista's media center. I think Vista features a lot of polish that was really missing from XP. There are some things I don't like: all the annoying questions whenever I want to do something. Yet, OS X does that same kinds of things. I remember my first time using OS X, I wondered why it kept asking me for my password when I wanted to do something. At least Vista simply prompts you for a yes or no. OS X makes you put in your password all the time and that is annoying.

 

To the people that think that Vista is a flop, I don't think it is at all. I think it is a very good upgrade for Windows users. That's really the question here, not a platform war. I think that when people badmouth Vista it's not so much that they think the OS is bad, as much as they fervently believe that another OS is better. OS X is great. We all know that. But Vista is a good product too. They have different strengths and weaknesses, but ultimately the notion that one or the other is better is simply a matter of personal preference like picking the color red over the color blue.

[EPDM]

Wow, I've never heard anyone advocate that something should be higher priced.

 

The PC market is a bargain driven market where virtually nobody makes any profet anymore. Unlike the autonmotive industry, or banks or food-chains or any other market. In fact it's always the same stupid story. If gasoline becomes more expensive because the Americans are fighting in Iraq (or are NOT fighting in Iraq) then ppl simply moan for a minute but that's it. But if they come to that PC shop they demand cheaper prices and more performance. As if WE (Pc shop owners) are not allowed to make a living unlike anyone else.

 

Well I truelly believe PC prices are way to cheap. Too many morons buy PC's these days and do nothing more than mess things up. Sure some parasites live from these folks. But we all forget that the IT-world is getting a really bad name these days. This has to change. Perhaps by increasing rpices less morons buy computers and more things get done PROPERLY.

 

As for your second comment, that is true. Some people want that. But others like me enjoy gaming with the best hardware money can buy, building their own computer so they get it exactly how they want it, or just preferring that their is competition in the pc market place. Remember Steve Jobs said it himself that he believed he could charge more for a mac against a pc. How did the market place react to that? Well you already know the answer to that.

 

I always said that Jobs is as bad and probably even worse than Gates. As far as I am concerned these guys "earned" enough money. It's about time both M$ and Apple dissapear and some truelly helpfull stuff gets developped. Stuff that really makes our lives better instead of the wallet of a few rich {censored}.

 

But if you think Microsoft's monopoly is bad? Imagine one where apple has the default monopoly. Say goodbye to clone makers, interoperability, open file formats in apple's default applications, the ability to build your own computer because apple doesn't authorize them to sell their processors to end users, low priced computers, and many other things.

 

Like I said before Jobs isn't ANY BETTER than Gates. They both have the sole ambition to become the richest in (their) world. Greed is not a good motivation to steer the lives of billions of ppl. In fact these guys should definitly watch episodes of Star trek. Which (especially with "The next Generation"-series) showes us a more meaninfull way to go beyond greed and socalled "ambition". But that's probably too utopian for most readers in here.

 

Cheers,

 

EPDM

[pyrates]

The PC market is a bargain driven market where virtually nobody makes any profet anymore. Unlike the autonmotive industry, or banks or food-chains or any other market. In fact it's always the same stupid story. If gasoline becomes more expensive because the Americans are fighting in Iraq (or are NOT fighting in Iraq) then ppl simply moan for a minute but that's it. But if they come to that PC shop they demand cheaper prices and more performance. As if WE (Pc shop owners) are not allowed to make a living unlike anyone else.

 

Sure people make profit. But if you think the PC market is the only market where no one makes profit anymore. Try hardware in general. Once something becomes common place, with alot of competition, margins are low. Otherwise companies go out of business. This is what consumers demand. Get use to it.

 

Well I truelly believe PC prices are way to cheap. Too many morons buy PC's these days and do nothing more than mess things up. Sure some parasites live from these folks. But we all forget that the IT-world is getting a really bad name these days. This has to change. Perhaps by increasing rpices less morons buy computers and more things get done PROPERLY.

I always said that Jobs is as bad and probably even worse than Gates. As far as I am concerned these guys "earned" enough money. It's about time both M$ and Apple dissapear and some truelly helpfull stuff gets developped. Stuff that really makes our lives better instead of the wallet of a few rich {censored}.

 

Everyone has a right to buy a pc. You can moan and {censored} as much as you want, but that's the way it is. Why don't you advocate that Apple come out with a Mac that matches the specs that a PC has? Since I'm sure all the fan boys would be happy for the apple market share to grow a percentile past 5%. Maybe you yourself could start to educate computer users that you know that there computer isn't an appliance.

 

Like I said before Jobs isn't ANY BETTER than Gates. They both have the sole ambition to become the richest in (their) world. Greed is not a good motivation to steer the lives of billions of ppl. In fact these guys should definitly watch episodes of Star trek. Which (especially with "The next Generation"-series) showes us a more meaninfull way to go beyond greed and socalled "ambition". But that's probably too utopian for most readers in here.

 

Cheers,

 

EPDM

 

Well I do agree that the economy is designed to sell stuff at the highest price to make the most amount of money over all using the least amount of resources. Hence why there will always be a jobless market. But that is completely off topic. Also remember that no one ever makes money. It is simply shifted around. So when stuff gets cheaper, more people can buy it.

[xtraa]

I am impressed with Vista. It is a big step forward from Xp.

 

Yep.

 

It is a big step forward from XP. And a small step for the whole computer industry.

 

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Edited March 4, 2007 by xtraa

[mac-mini]

HAHA the cancel or allow mac ad

[Guest Ramm]

I would've liked Vista if there was something NEW ABOUT IT!

 

Honestly, it is a newer version of XP with less compatibility, a higher price, a more copied interface, and pointless security. I liked XP. Vista...not so much.

[eggie]

i agree with ramm,

vista would be better if it offered something that is new, making the upgrade seem worth it

you really have to squint to see any benifits of vista over xp

 

you can help but feel let down

[robotskip]

I would've liked Vista if there was something NEW ABOUT IT!

 

Honestly, it is a newer version of XP with less compatibility, a higher price, a more copied interface, and pointless security. I liked XP. Vista...not so much.

Honestly, you're more or less completely wrong.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_windows_vista

Edited March 6, 2007 by robotskip

[Lostgame]

And yet somehow, Apple managed to get almost all of those features in 3 years ago and it runs on a 500 MHZ iBook with 256 MB RAM, and decently at that.

 

This whole Vista thing is a joke. I'm glad Microsoft is underselling this software, it's great.

[robotskip]

Apple hasn't managed to get all those 'features' now, let alone 3 years ago.

 

Vista also isn't 'underselling,' in fact, it's doing well. Retail sales are down but sales elsewhere are up drastically and looking at only retail sales is ignorant.

[Alessandro17]

Apple hasn't managed to get all those 'features' now, let alone 3 years ago.

 

Vista also isn't 'underselling,' in fact, it's doing well. Retail sales are down but sales elsewhere are up drastically and looking at only retail sales is ignorant.

 

Calling people with different opinions "ignorant", "liars" seems normal to you. How typical of a M$ zealot.

[robotskip]

No, it has nothing to do with their opinion.

 

Ignorant: Lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact - so, my use was spot on and nothing was wrong or mean about it.

Liar: A false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood - I'm not sure which instance you're talking about but I think the last time I called someone a liar on here was when some one (Forgot who it was) said it required ~ 7 UAC prompts to install Messenger, which was made with the deliberate intent to deceive.

 

It's kind of hypocritical to attempt to point out my apparent insults yet all I'm doing is using words because of their meaning, I could be more friendly but honestly, who would be insulted by some random person calling them ignorant, or a liar, especially when it's true, on the amazing interwebs.

 

Now, I assume you're going to try to pull out some dictionary meaning for zealot so I went and had a look, it has "an excessively zealous person; fanatic." So, unfortunately for you I don't fall in to that category because unless making a couple of posts every week or 2 is 'zealous' I think I'm in the clear.

 

It'd be grand if you kept the personal insults to yourself and moderators, like Metrogirl, have given warnings. I mean, I don't see how your last post contributed ?? Not only were you wrong but you were wrong and had some useless 'M$ zealot' comment, I mean, it's 2007, people stopped using those silly lines in ~ 2003, catch up with times, even /. is ahead of you in terms of maturity and understanding in all things related to Microsoft which is quite embarrassing if I do say so myself.

[Alessandro17]

You aren't even worthy of a reply.

I have just put you in my ignored users list. You have the honour of being the first and only one there. So from now on you can write whatever you like, I am not willing to be insulted by a Microsoft shill all the time. If that was my wish I'd visit Microsoft forums.

[Sabr]

I know we are all capable of debating like mature adults, so can we please keep this debate on track?

 

Thanks,

 

- SABR.

[Guest Ramm]

Anways, to correct you robot, I find there are no new features useful for me. This may not be the same thing for you. I do graphic design on my computers, and vista had less compatibility with the programs I used, which made it utterly useless to me.

 

So to rephrase my previous comment, Vista is essentially a less compatible XP for me.

 

And after reading that link you posted, it just reinforce my opinion about Vista.

 

It has different languages?

 

OH EM GEE!

 

I hadn't even known people spoke other languages, let alone have computers that have them also!

 

And different themes like aero!? What will microsoft come up with next!? I mean we all know that changing themes is completely new and all.

 

Oh wait - no it isn't.

 

A new browser too, eh? Well, maybe if they didn't release new versions so rarely it wouldn't have been such a big deal about a browser that is essentially firefox with "Windows" stamped on it.

 

Snipping Tool? Hmm what OS that I am using right now currently has something extremely similar to that....it's called "Grab" or something....

 

A new media player - incredible. It has a store too!

 

The only feature I find that could be useful to me is media center built in.

 

Note that I am not bashing Vista with a hammer made by Apple. The only comparision to OS X I made in my above "rant", if you will, was to "Grab".

Edited March 6, 2007 by Ramm

[Colonel]

I would've liked Vista if there was something NEW ABOUT IT!

 

Honestly, it is a newer version of XP with less compatibility, a higher price, a more copied interface, and pointless security. I liked XP. Vista...not so much.

...Gadgets?

[robotskip]

Anways, to correct you robot, I find there are no new features useful for me. This may not be the same thing for you. I do graphic design on my computers, and vista had less compatibility with the programs I used, which made it utterly useless to me.

 

So to rephrase my previous comment, Vista is essentially a less compatible XP for me.

 

And after reading that link you posted, it just reinforce my opinion about Vista.

 

It has different languages?

 

OH EM GEE!

 

I hadn't even known people spoke other languages, let alone have computers that have them also!

 

And different themes like aero!? What will microsoft come up with next!? I mean we all know that changing themes is completely new and all.

 

Oh wait - no it isn't.

 

A new browser too, eh? Well, maybe if they didn't release new versions so rarely it wouldn't have been such a big deal about a browser that is essentially firefox with "Windows" stamped on it.

 

Snipping Tool? Hmm what OS that I am using right now currently has something extremely similar to that....it's called "Grab" or something....

 

A new media player - incredible. It has a store too!

 

The only feature I find that could be useful to me is media center built in.

 

Note that I am not bashing Vista with a hammer made by Apple. The only comparision to OS X I made in my above "rant", if you will, was to "Grab".

You haven't even used the RTM version of Vista, you don't have a valid opinion about Vista, only about Vista RC1 which will be a year old soon.

 

It's great how you focus on a couple of small things yet you ignore all the major changes such as: new Search, new driver model (This is a huge reason for upgrading for various reasons such as speed, securitiy, stability, etc - in relation to stability most crashes in previous versions of Windows was due to third-party drivers and in relation to security drivers are now no longer part of session 0), new security (And I'm not just talking about UAC), new shell and a transactional filesystem, finally decent built-in apps (Mail, Calendar, Photo Gallery, etc), WPF [and other technologies such as WCF & WF], new network stack, new audio stack, SideShow, ReadyBoost, SuperFetch, finally a decent installer which is easy/fast, extremely easy deployment (Due to various things such as WIM, WAIK, etc), Group Policy is so much better, the new diagnostic/reporting/monitoring features, etc.

 

The bottom line is, more or less everything in Windows has been improved upon in Vista and many, many, many, things have been added. Also, any person can pick out a couple of small things, add some sarcastic overtone and make it sound like it's nothing - you're only kidding yourself.

 

Also, your comment that IE7 is just FF with IE stamped on it is ridiculous. IE7 has a completely different GUI, it has many security features FF lacks (Or did lack; such as Protected Mode, anti-phishing, domain spoofing, etc), etc. I assume your reason for it being similar to FF is that it has tabs, well, newsflash, tabs have been around for years (?) before FF.

[pyrates]

To each his own I suppose. But to put someone on ignore and say they're not even worthy to refute their argument really shows that you can't refute it. It's the equivalent of saying lalalalalalala with your ears plugged.

[Metrogirl]

Enough of the mudslinging. Get this back on topic.

[robotskip]

To each his own I suppose. But to put someone on ignore and say they're not even worthy to refute their argument really shows that you can't refute it. It's the equivalent of saying lalalalalalala with your ears plugged.

Exactly.

 

Anyway, back on topic.

 

Anyone else loving the extra clocks you can have ? I don't use it too often but it's so much damn easier than going to a website and converting the time. At the moment I have EST and PST set so I can organise some things with you Americans.

 

I wonder how hard it'd be to figure out to have > 2 clocks..

[xtraa]

Exactly.

 

Anyway, back on topic.

 

Anyone else loving the extra clocks you can have ?

 

Yes of course, thats what Vista is all about

 

No but seriously, do you have a good resource for Clock Gadgets? I am

still searching for that. There are lots of clocks but I woul like a stilysh

analog clock for the sidebar.

 

Any ideas?

[darthfrodo04]

The feature that interests me the most is SideShow.... i mean, its a very good idea i think, but when will we see it equipped in laptops?