tubbiesss Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 OK. did some timing from system powered off to Darwin screen and from darwin screen to log-in screen and from log-in screen to desktop - all disk activity completed/startup programs loaded, etc.Both Win7 and SL are installed on WD Velociraptor 10k rpm HDDs Power on button push to Darwin screen - 37 seconds, hit key to stop timer. Select SL drive. Hit enter and 28 sec to log-in screen - select user and type in password - hit enter - 15 sec to desktop and no disk activity. Shutdown. Power on button push to Darwin screen - 37 seconds, hit key to stop timer. Select System Reserved (Win7 boot - DO NOT select Windows NTFS - it will get you "Verifying DMA pool date..." forever - or until you reboot) Hit enter - 35 seconds to sound chime and log-in screen, select user/type in password - hit enter - 10 seconds to desktop and no disk activity, all icons normally in systray present (nothing still loading in the background. So, not counting time spent selecting a user and typing in passwords, for SL ~80 seconds from power on to desktop ready to go (add another 2-3 sec if I let the Darwin timer time out and boot into SL by default) and for Win7 ~ 82 seconds from power on to desktop ready to go. (93 seconds from power off to PC-BSD desktop, but it is on a 7200 rpm HDD) Truly appreciate all your troubles. Are there any pros/cons to each of the different installation methods? Seem Kakewalk is the simplest. Just to confirm, all these methods require a retail version of Snow Leopard, and not a pre-hacked one right? I have my 150GB velocis on port 0 and port 1 I read tonymacx86 seems to require having the HDD and DVD drive to be plugged into port 0 and 1. I hope that is not the case with Kakewalk? The 4GB limit of FAT32 steers me away from it, but read-only NTFS should be sufficient... i hope... Is majority of the time to load your 37 sec from power button push to Darwin screen due to the Gigabyte screen? I've never had a Gigabyte mobo before, but it feels awful long. My time from power button push with Gigabyte screen to black Starting Windows screen took 32 sec, How long have you had your system? I'm now installing all necessary drivers, then going to run several device test apps. When all of that is done, I'm reformatting the drive and have a go installing SL. I think I'm gonna install Win7 and SL on 2 separate drives. Worried 150GB wont be enough to have Win7 + SL/Win7 Parallels. Hope all will go well without a hitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Bald Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Truly appreciate all your troubles.Are there any pros/cons to each of the different installation methods? Seem Kakewalk is the simplest. Just to confirm, all these methods require a retail version of Snow Leopard, and not a pre-hacked one right? I have my 150GB velocis on port 0 and port 1 I read tonymacx86 seems to require having the HDD and DVD drive to be plugged into port 0 and 1. I hope that is not the case with Kakewalk? The 4GB limit of FAT32 steers me away from it, but read-only NTFS should be sufficient... i hope... Is majority of the time to load your 37 sec from power button push to Darwin screen due to the Gigabyte screen? I've never had a Gigabyte mobo before, but it feels awful long. My time from power button push with Gigabyte screen to black Starting Windows screen took 32 sec, How long have you had your system? I'm now installing all necessary drivers, then going to run several device test apps. When all of that is done, I'm reformatting the drive and have a go installing SL. I think I'm gonna install Win7 and SL on 2 separate drives. Worried 150GB wont be enough to have Win7 + SL/Win7 Parallels. Hope all will go well without a hitch Yes, retail versions only, please. You can disable the Giga-Byte logo boot screen in BIOS and see the post screen if you want, and, yes, 37 seconds is how long it takes to find all my hardware and verify the DMA pool data to get to the Darwin boot screen. The less hardware you have, the shorter the boot time will be. I built this system in Late Jan- early Feb of this year and it has been remarkably stable. The only problem I really had was when I updated to 10.6.3 and lost sound. Got that fixed, and I'm now on 10.6.4, waiting for 10.6.5 so I can put my HD5770 video card back in - the new MAC's are using the 5770 -- YES!!!! As far as the install methods go, it is really a matter of choice and what works best for you and how you plan to do the install - same HDD/separate HDD, etc. When dual booting, what system do you want it to default to? For install on separate HDDs, which one you install first doesn't make any difference, but there are a few points to keep in mind. SL requires the port it's installed to to be AHCI - with Kakewalk it doesn't seem to matter what port it is on as long as it is defined as AHCI. Windows doesn't like it if you do the install with the HDD on a port, say 2_0, and then be moved to 2_8 (it has to do with DMA and MS's anti-piracy efforts). You should unplug the already installed system HDD while installing the new system on it's HDD. Since you have already installed Win7 and probably do not want to reinstall it, did you go into the BIOS before you installed it and set ports 2_0 - 2_5 for AHCI? If you did not, it installed as IDE by default. In order to fix this without re-installing, follow the procedure outlined here: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/61869...ws-7-vista.html After a successful reboot under AHCI, when you are ready to install SL, unplug the Win7 drive (this is not really necessary from a technical point of view, but it keeps you from making the mistake of formatting the drive you already installed Win7 on by accident). Install SL using Kakewalk by either CD or USB method and update to 10.6.4. Before installing the bootloader - which OS do you want to load by default? It makes a difference in how you proceed from here. 1. If you plan to have Win7 as default, use the Kakewalkboot package to install the AsereBLN bootloader. From your E/E folder, copy the com.apple.boot.plist to your desktop and edit the time string from 3 seconds to 1 second to shorten the boot time wait (do not use 0 here - use of 0 will stop the boot at this point and wait for you to choose from the list of available drives), save and exit the text editor, replace the .plist in your E/E folder, repair permissions and reboot. Shut down, re-attach your Win7 HDD, enter BIOS on the boot and make the Win7 HDD first in boot order. Exit and save and boot into Win7. Download and install EasyBCD and follow directions to add your SL drive to the Win7 boot.ini so that when Win7 boots up, it will stop and let you choose either Win7 or SL before continuing. 2. If SL is to be your default, and you don't want to depend on being able to hit a key to stop the SL boot process when you want Win7, you can either install the Kakewalk bootloader and edit the com.apple.boot.plist as described above and give yourself more time or deliberately choose 0 as the time, or go here: http://www.kexts.com/view/198-chameleon_2...._installer.html and download and install the Chameleon bootloader. The Chameleon bootloader will stop at the Darwin screen and present you with icons of your drives to select from. That's really all there is to it when you use separate HDDs for your OS's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binh514 Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Is it possible to change Fan speed in snowleopard 64bit ? I have SMCfanControl and it doesn't work. what I have to do ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubbiesss Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Yes, retail versions only, please. You can disable the Giga-Byte logo boot screen in BIOS and see the post screen if you want, and, yes, 37 seconds is how long it takes to find all my hardware and verify the DMA pool data to get to the Darwin boot screen. The less hardware you have, the shorter the boot time will be.I built this system in Late Jan- early Feb of this year and it has been remarkably stable. The only problem I really had was when I updated to 10.6.3 and lost sound. Got that fixed, and I'm now on 10.6.4, waiting for 10.6.5 so I can put my HD5770 video card back in - the new MAC's are using the 5770 -- YES!!!! Disabling Gigabyte logo I'd assume would still take the same boot time? I saw there's a quick boot option. Is it safe to enable it? Or would that skip several pre-boot checks? Right now I practically only have my video card and nothing else, not even a sound card. I notice you didn't list any sound card on your sig too. Are you using on board sound? Do we have to wait till 10.6.5 for the HD 5xxx to work?? I remember reading someone being able to uncover 5xxxx drivers from the unibody Mac Mini. Was that not 10.6.4? I think I'm gonna go with SL as default. I currently have it set on IDE, but I don't mind reinstalling Windows 7. In fact, that is what I have been planning to do all along Been just testing around with drivers and bench tests right now, but I'd like to keep my new system clean from them. Btw, would you happen to have a guide on how to optimize the BIOS setup? I notice the RAM was set at 1066MHz at default. Had to tweak a setting to get to 1600MHz which did increase my Geekbench score from 8200 to 8400. I'm wondering what else do I need to squeeze more in wihout OCing, because from the charts, there are many scoring well over 11k with a similar setup to mine. Once I set the port to AHCI, do I need SATA drivers installed? Because when I tried installing ICH10R drivers, an error says that my comp doesn't meet the minimum requirement. And may I ask what "E/E folder" is? Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Bald Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Disabling Gigabyte logo I'd assume would still take the same boot time? I saw there's a quick boot option. Is it safe to enable it? Or would that skip several pre-boot checks?Right now I practically only have my video card and nothing else, not even a sound card. I notice you didn't list any sound card on your sig too. Are you using on board sound? Do we have to wait till 10.6.5 for the HD 5xxx to work?? I remember reading someone being able to uncover 5xxxx drivers from the unibody Mac Mini. Was that not 10.6.4? I think I'm gonna go with SL as default. I currently have it set on IDE, but I don't mind reinstalling Windows 7. In fact, that is what I have been planning to do all along Been just testing around with drivers and bench tests right now, but I'd like to keep my new system clean from them. Btw, would you happen to have a guide on how to optimize the BIOS setup? I notice the RAM was set at 1066MHz at default. Had to tweak a setting to get to 1600MHz which did increase my Geekbench score from 8200 to 8400. I'm wondering what else do I need to squeeze more in wihout OCing, because from the charts, there are many scoring well over 11k with a similar setup to mine. Once I set the port to AHCI, do I need SATA drivers installed? Because when I tried installing ICH10R drivers, an error says that my comp doesn't meet the minimum requirement. And may I ask what "E/E folder" is? Thanks again Please create a sig with your hardware - it makes it easier to target answers to the right hardware for you. Disabling the Giga-Byte logo lets you see the bios post screen as it does all of the preboot checks and recognizes your hardware - helpful if you are having problems and don't know exactly where the problem is - if it gets past all of the checks and sees all of your hardware, the problem is not the mobo (usually). Quickboot option skips several hardware tests, most especially memory - I don't use it. I use on board sound. I am waiting for 10.6.5 because the current drivers netkas has managed to put together (great job, netkas) are 32 bit only and I boot the 64 bit kernel. If the MAC Pro comes with the 5770/5870, it should include the 64 bit drivers. Optimizing the BIOS setup is something that is unique to each mobo/processor/memory you install. It is something you have to read-up on from the manual that came with your mobo and how it works with the processor voltage/Hz settings and the memory voltage/Hz settings. The best I can offer you is to google the overclockers websights. They usually come up with an optimum, stable setup before they start boosting their systems to higher clock speeds. You might start out by selecting "set optimum defaults" button in the BIOS and then looking at all of the selections that do not say "Auto" and see what options they can be changed to. Experiment with enabling C1/C2 and C3/C4 and see what effect that has in both Win7 and SL until you get a balance of speed/stability that you are happy with. Once you set the port to AHCI, you don't need to do anything - drivers are already there. As far as the ICH10R drivers go, check your mobo spec. If your spec is for ICH10, you can't use the ICH10R drivers - different chipset altogether. The E/E folder is a folder placed in the SL root - E/E is short for Extra/Extensions - by the Kakewalk installation process (or the [url="http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/279450-why-insanelymac-does-not-support-tonymacx86/"]#####[/url] or MyHack or any of the other ways to install OS X on a PC). It contains the files necessary to allow you to run SL on a PC, and are put here so that the System/Library/Extensions folder that contains the OS X drivers will remain as "Vanilla" as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubbiesss Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 Please create a sig with your hardware - it makes it easier to target answers to the right hardware for you. Disabling the Giga-Byte logo lets you see the bios post screen as it does all of the preboot checks and recognizes your hardware - helpful if you are having problems and don't know exactly where the problem is - if it gets past all of the checks and sees all of your hardware, the problem is not the mobo (usually). Quickboot option skips several hardware tests, most especially memory - I don't use it. I use on board sound. I am waiting for 10.6.5 because the current drivers netkas has managed to put together (great job, netkas) are 32 bit only and I boot the 64 bit kernel. If the MAC Pro comes with the 5770/5870, it should include the 64 bit drivers. Optimizing the BIOS setup is something that is unique to each mobo/processor/memory you install. It is something you have to read-up on from the manual that came with your mobo and how it works with the processor voltage/Hz settings and the memory voltage/Hz settings. The best I can offer you is to google the overclockers websights. They usually come up with an optimum, stable setup before they start boosting their systems to higher clock speeds. You might start out by selecting "set optimum defaults" button in the BIOS and then looking at all of the selections that do not say "Auto" and see what options they can be changed to. Experiment with enabling C1/C2 and C3/C4 and see what effect that has in both Win7 and SL until you get a balance of speed/stability that you are happy with. Once you set the port to AHCI, you don't need to do anything - drivers are already there. As far as the ICH10R drivers go, check your mobo spec. If your spec is for ICH10, you can't use the ICH10R drivers - different chipset altogether. The E/E folder is a folder placed in the SL root - E/E is short for Extra/Extensions - by the Kakewalk installation process (or the [url="http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/279450-why-insanelymac-does-not-support-tonymacx86/"]#####[/url] or MyHack or any of the other ways to install OS X on a PC). It contains the files necessary to allow you to run SL on a PC, and are put here so that the System/Library/Extensions folder that contains the OS X drivers will remain as "Vanilla" as possible. Siggy done I too am using onboard sound. Eager to get Asus Xonar Essence but I see several posts that people are still waiting for someone to get it work on OSX. And the post started early 2008, appears like it won't be happening Ah so the VGA driver is only for 32bit. Thats some really bad news Would it still be able to display a decent resolution without its drivers? I can wait, not gaming, as long as resolution is above 1360x768. Or would it not work at all?? I'm crossing my fingers for 10.6.5, the new 27" ACD, and new Mac Pro to be out this coming Tuesday. Not that I'm getting the Mac Pro, but I'd like the ACD if pricing here is not outrageously above other IPS display. I just found out that the remaining of the manual needs to be downloaded. I'm downloading the pdf manual as we "speak". At the moment, I'm unsure what C1/C2, C3/C4 is. But I see a "C3/C6/C6 State Support" option which is disabled by default. I'm assuming once I set port to AHCI, my current Win7 would cease to work? Do I need to change every IDE setup to AHCI? There eSATA Ctrl Mode and several GSATA Ctrl Mode, all set to IDE currently. Manual do say it supports ICH10R. Does it not working have anything to do with the current IDE settings? Ah I'll get to the E/E bit once I have SL insatalled. As of now, I'm still trying to optimize BIOS setting to try to at least achieve the 10k mark on Geekbench. Have you, by any chance, tried Geekbench-ing your system? And weird thing... I've been staying in BIOS for the last 1/2hr or so, but my 5970 is spewing really hot air from the back grills. It almost seems that BIOS is heating the card more than actually staying in Windows. Is that normal? EDIT: Yup, temp goes down once I enter Win7. Really odd that BIOS is heating the card up. Sorry for the plethora of quiestions and it seems we are hogging the last few pages of the thread barely touching on SL. lol. Really appreciate it though and I hope once I get my BIOS set up, I can carry on with OSX installation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Bald Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 Siggy done I too am using onboard sound. Eager to get Asus Xonar Essence but I see several posts that people are still waiting for someone to get it work on OSX. And the post started early 2008, appears like it won't be happening Ah so the VGA driver is only for 32bit. Thats some really bad news Would it still be able to display a decent resolution without its drivers? I can wait, not gaming, as long as resolution is above 1360x768. Or would it not work at all?? I'm crossing my fingers for 10.6.5, the new 27" ACD, and new Mac Pro to be out this coming Tuesday. Not that I'm getting the Mac Pro, but I'd like the ACD if pricing here is not outrageously above other IPS display. I just found out that the remaining of the manual needs to be downloaded. I'm downloading the pdf manual as we "speak". At the moment, I'm unsure what C1/C2, C3/C4 is. But I see a "C3/C6/C6 State Support" option which is disabled by default. I'm assuming once I set port to AHCI, my current Win7 would cease to work? Do I need to change every IDE setup to AHCI? There eSATA Ctrl Mode and several GSATA Ctrl Mode, all set to IDE currently. Manual do say it supports ICH10R. Does it not working have anything to do with the current IDE settings? Ah I'll get to the E/E bit once I have SL insatalled. As of now, I'm still trying to optimize BIOS setting to try to at least achieve the 10k mark on Geekbench. Have you, by any chance, tried Geekbench-ing your system? And weird thing... I've been staying in BIOS for the last 1/2hr or so, but my 5970 is spewing really hot air from the back grills. It almost seems that BIOS is heating the card more than actually staying in Windows. Is that normal? EDIT: Yup, temp goes down once I enter Win7. Really odd that BIOS is heating the card up. Sorry for the plethora of quiestions and it seems we are hogging the last few pages of the thread barely touching on SL. lol. Really appreciate it though and I hope once I get my BIOS set up, I can carry on with OSX installation The c-states refer to cpu power consumption and controlling the amount of power the cpu uses at idle. See this article for a basic description: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/611 As far as the gsata and esata ports are concerned, you can leave them as IDE until you actually plug some hardware into them. If you use them for hard drives or optical drives, you will either need to change them to AHCI if you want SL to see them OR install the JMicron Legacy kext files in E/E (Use tonymacx86's [url="http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/279450-why-insanelymac-does-not-support-tonymacx86/"]#####[/url] for this and install both 32 & 64 bit drivers) BIOS runs the video card at 100% all of the time - an OS only runs it as much as needed and also can control the fan speed, so the tempreature is kept lower when in an OS. As far a geek bench goes, you can see my bench scores at: http://puru.se/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=65&start=10 I could probably tweak it more to get higher scores, but I see no need - the system runs as fast as I need it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrootWitBaas Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 I am not going to quote all the thins above about raid and drives, but will give some of my experience I have had. Bootcamp creates a separate partition to install windows, and when windows boot it is not in a emulated mode, but like a normal install on a separate drive, only thing BC does is the partition and installing the drivers for a real mac. Nothing to do with EFI, but more a matter of how it sets the boot drive and partitions. On a hack using a boot loader makes more sense and having the installs on separate drive also. I bought a small SSD(Patriot PS100 32GB) to test boot times compared to Sata and Sata II . On the SSD my boot time from complete power off until SL Desktop is only 38 Seconds, That is with auto OS select on 3 seconds and CPU over clocked to 3,3GHz (Geekbech 32bit result is 7297 - OSX running 64bit) On Sata II it is longer but I have to test it again with exactly the same install and will add it here. My WIN7 is curently on a Sata II drive and boot time is not bad. I tried it once on the SSD, and from power on till desktop was 57 seconds, but then CPU was not over clocked and was running stock 2,5GHz (SL took 48 Sec on 2,5GHz but was not a standard install like now, and might have had errors loading) This all said I still think the money I spend on the small SSD was worth the while, looking at prices of VRaptors and looking at the SSD I am fairly happy with it and will probably get a second one for windowzzzzz some day, but I only use that once in a while so no rush. I said I will use the SSD only for booting the OS, but I have split it into two partitions, one the OSX System, and the second (8GB) has my install image on it (like a usb install drive) doing a install to the same drive makes it kind of slow, but doing it from SSD to SataII drive is fast. I have tested on board raid and TBH I did not see a huge improvement using this (4x320GB SataII drives) Using a REAL Hardware based Raid (PCI SCSI CARD) you can see the improvement (based on windowzzzz) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treplau6 Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 Hey all - Here's a description of a mostly successful installation of Kakewalk 2.2 - http://puru.se/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=108 I say Mostly because I am not able to find the right fix to achieve a functional Network/LAN connection. Perhaps anyone in IM will be able to help. MoBo: GA-X58A-UD7 CPU: i7 930 GPU: PNY 9800GT 1GB Memory: CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Bald Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 I am not going to quote all the thins above about raid and drives, but will give some of my experience I have had. Bootcamp creates a separate partition to install windows, and when windows boot it is not in a emulated mode, but like a normal install on a separate drive, only thing BC does is the partition and installing the drivers for a real mac. Nothing to do with EFI, but more a matter of how it sets the boot drive and partitions. On a hack using a boot loader makes more sense and having the installs on separate drive also. I bought a small SSD(Patriot PS100 32GB) to test boot times compared to Sata and Sata II . On the SSD my boot time from complete power off until SL Desktop is only 38 Seconds, That is with auto OS select on 3 seconds and CPU over clocked to 3,3GHz (Geekbech 32bit result is 7297 - OSX running 64bit) On Sata II it is longer but I have to test it again with exactly the same install and will add it here. My WIN7 is curently on a Sata II drive and boot time is not bad. I tried it once on the SSD, and from power on till desktop was 57 seconds, but then CPU was not over clocked and was running stock 2,5GHz (SL took 48 Sec on 2,5GHz but was not a standard install like now, and might have had errors loading) This all said I still think the money I spend on the small SSD was worth the while, looking at prices of VRaptors and looking at the SSD I am fairly happy with it and will probably get a second one for windowzzzzz some day, but I only use that once in a while so no rush. I said I will use the SSD only for booting the OS, but I have split it into two partitions, one the OSX System, and the second (8GB) has my install image on it (like a usb install drive) doing a install to the same drive makes it kind of slow, but doing it from SSD to SataII drive is fast. I have tested on board raid and TBH I did not see a huge improvement using this (4x320GB SataII drives) Using a REAL Hardware based Raid (PCI SCSI CARD) you can see the improvement (based on windowzzzz) Does the Bootcamp/Windows work the same with the Intel chips as it did with the Motorola powerPC chipsets from the old Mac-G3, -G4's? I never used BC myself but was going by what I remembered from a conversation with someone who used it on a G3. The SSD is worth the while, but I've read too many times of trouble with the MLC type drives and how performance slows (and even stops totally) once the entire drive has been written to. I also haven't heard anything yet as to whether SL supports TRIM or not. Another thing is that I also read somewhere that with Win7. you needed to disable the constant over-writes being done by the automatic defrag. So, at this point, I'm still waiting for the prices to come down on the SLC type SSD's and for TRIM support in SL. Hey all - Here's a description of a mostly successful installation of Kakewalk 2.2 - http://puru.se/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=108 I say Mostly because I am not able to find the right fix to achieve a functional Network/LAN connection. Perhaps anyone in IM will be able to help. MoBo: GA-X58A-UD7 CPU: i7 930 GPU: PNY 9800GT 1GB Memory: CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1600 Try these - the EE.zip goes in E/E and the SLE.zip goes in S/L/E Extensions.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treplau6 Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 Try these - the EE.zip goes in E/E and the SLE.zip goes in S/L/E Same results - No luck. However, I was able to capture the following by rebooting in Verbose mode - Perhaps this will help identify the problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Bald Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 Same results - No luck. However, I was able to capture the following by rebooting in Verbose mode - Perhaps this will help identify the problems. See my post on puru.se See my post on puru.se Use this driver. RTGMac_v2.0.4.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treplau6 Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 Hi, I have onboard network working in 64bit mode on my X58A-UD3R Rev 2.0 Board. I found this replacement for the IONetworkingFamily.kext which does the trick. Hope it helps! J Realtec_8111D_3264.zip Thanks jacoverse! Worked for as well after numerous unsuccessful attempts. Using GA-X58A-UD7 (Rev 2.0) Special thanks for Going Bald for the referral and guidance - http://puru.se/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=108 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubbiesss Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 The c-states refer to cpu power consumption and controlling the amount of power the cpu uses at idle. See this article for a basic description: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/611 As far as the gsata and esata ports are concerned, you can leave them as IDE until you actually plug some hardware into them. If you use them for hard drives or optical drives, you will either need to change them to AHCI if you want SL to see them OR install the JMicron Legacy kext files in E/E (Use tonymacx86's [url="http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/279450-why-insanelymac-does-not-support-tonymacx86/"]#####[/url] for this and install both 32 & 64 bit drivers) BIOS runs the video card at 100% all of the time - an OS only runs it as much as needed and also can control the fan speed, so the tempreature is kept lower when in an OS. As far a geek bench goes, you can see my bench scores at: http://puru.se/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=65&start=10 I could probably tweak it more to get higher scores, but I see no need - the system runs as fast as I need it to. Thanks for the explanation and the link. I'm learning plenty from your posts I have switched all ports to AHCI > Win7 stopped functioning > reinstalled Win7 with everything installed successfully > itchy fingers tried to install WinXP > went horribly wrong > have weird 3mb and 0mb partitions > doing "clean all" in cmd atm I think I might just go installing SL once the clean is done If that's the case, I shouldn't be staying in BIOS too long. I might just underclock the card a bit just to have it run cooler. I get pretty much the same score as yours, had to enable CPU Turbo Boost and change RAM frequency to 1600MHz. It upped my score by 400 but I don't know if its worth it because CPU temp goes up by 5 degrees. I might just change it back to default because I doubt I can actually feel any of the performance boost. Btw, my system powers up rather strangely. When I press the power button, everything would light up and the fan spins, but after a sec, everything turns off again for another second. A second later it lights up again and the fan revs at full speed. Is this normal? Does it also happen to your UD7 + HX850? I am not going to quote all the thins above about raid and drives, but will give some of my experience I have had. Bootcamp creates a separate partition to install windows, and when windows boot it is not in a emulated mode, but like a normal install on a separate drive, only thing BC does is the partition and installing the drivers for a real mac. Nothing to do with EFI, but more a matter of how it sets the boot drive and partitions. On a hack using a boot loader makes more sense and having the installs on separate drive also. I bought a small SSD(Patriot PS100 32GB) to test boot times compared to Sata and Sata II . On the SSD my boot time from complete power off until SL Desktop is only 38 Seconds, That is with auto OS select on 3 seconds and CPU over clocked to 3,3GHz (Geekbech 32bit result is 7297 - OSX running 64bit) On Sata II it is longer but I have to test it again with exactly the same install and will add it here. My WIN7 is curently on a Sata II drive and boot time is not bad. I tried it once on the SSD, and from power on till desktop was 57 seconds, but then CPU was not over clocked and was running stock 2,5GHz (SL took 48 Sec on 2,5GHz but was not a standard install like now, and might have had errors loading) So there shouldn't be any performance difference between Bootcamp and a native Windows installation? Now that I have Geekbench scores for my Win7 system, I'll try comparing it with Bootcamp and see if it'll be any different. So even SSD isn't giving miraculous speed boost on boot time? I have left the idea of having a RAID array, but that just convince me even further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anaho Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 Unfortunately this didnt work at all for me. My config: Q9650 Ud3p F8 Radeon 5870 SL 10.6.3 USB Method As soon as i get to the bootloader and select it i get a black screen and the Radeon fan starts run at 100%. Do i have to alter something from the vanilla Kakewalk install because of the graphics card? Or should i rather get a 10.6.0 DVD as most people use them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Bald Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 Unfortunately this didnt work at all for me. My config: Q9650 Ud3p F8 Radeon 5870 SL 10.6.3 USB Method As soon as i get to the bootloader and select it i get a black screen and the Radeon fan starts run at 100%. Do i have to alter something from the vanilla Kakewalk install because of the graphics card? Or should i rather get a 10.6.0 DVD as most people use them? Unfortunately, mrjanek hasn't updated Kakewalk for the ATI HD 5000 series cards yet - maybe he is waiting for the new MAC Pro's to come out so he can include both 32 & 64 bit drivers. Do you have a cheap nVidia card you can put in until you get the install done and the 5870 drivers installed? If not, try the [url="http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/279450-why-insanelymac-does-not-support-tonymacx86/"]#####[/url]+[url="http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/279450-why-insanelymac-does-not-support-tonymacx86/"]#####[/url] method for 5xxx cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmmmm Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Unfortunately this didnt work at all for me. My config: Q9650 Ud3p F8 Radeon 5870 SL 10.6.3 USB Method As soon as i get to the bootloader and select it i get a black screen and the Radeon fan starts run at 100%. Do i have to alter something from the vanilla Kakewalk install because of the graphics card? Or should i rather get a 10.6.0 DVD as most people use them? Have a good read of this and try the boot disk with the retail dvd or restore the retail disk as a image to a flash drive. http://www.tonymacx86.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=3651 Worked for me on Ga P55 UD3 Ati 5850 has to be 10.6.4 to work so boot, install, update before you restart. If you have trouble booting retail disk try boot flag -x32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercap Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Does kakewalk manage Gigabyte EP45-DS4 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ps258 Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 Hi Guys, I'm trying to get a retail 10.6.3 install working on a GA-EP45-UD3LR with a Core 2 Quad 8400 and a Gainward GeForce 9800GT. I burned the Kakewalk 2.2 GA-EP45-UD3LR ISO, upgraded to the lastest BIOS, set the BIOS setting from the guide and booted. Unfortunately I get a kernel panic after changing from the Kakewalk CD to the SL DVD. Any suggestions? How do I get debug output? -v? When to I type -v? TIA, Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donw35 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 sounds like you missed the AHCI setting, everything you have should work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ps258 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 sounds like you missed the AHCI setting, everything you have should work. No, I'm certain I haven't. Could it be because the DVD-ROM is in SATA-0 and the disk in SATA-1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ps258 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 No, I'm certain I haven't. Could it be because the DVD-ROM is in SATA-0 and the disk in SATA-1? It trashes my BIOS settings when it crashes too, is that usual? Any way to get debug info? I've tried holding down apple-V during the boot from the retail DVD, but not difference. Any help appreciated? Cheers, Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ps258 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 It trashes my BIOS settings when it crashes too, is that usual? Any way to get debug info? I've tried holding down apple-V during the boot from the retail DVD, but not difference. Any help appreciated? Cheers, Pete The KakewalkLegacy.iso seems to be working, at least it's running the installer now. I wonder if it was running kakewalkCD on a G5 that caused my problems. Anyway, I'm progressing now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3Atze Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 Does anyone know if the GA-EG41MFT-US2H motherboard is supported? What about the Intel GMA X4500 grafics? Is there any Micro ATX / Mini ITX supported motherboard for Kakewalk? I´m planning to build a mediacenter connected to my tv... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercap Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 hi does kakewalk support the EP45-DS4 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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