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Hi MAJ,

Thanks for your promote reply. \

The "desktop" is actually showing up, but just the background image and a out screen mouse pointer(you can move it into the screen), not a black screen, the central window didn't show up. I think I wait a enough long time before I click or press enter. There is once I noticed the top task bar context menu did show up when I hover the mouse pointer there. I'm using the ATI 4870, it actually worked well before.

 

I hope that helps.

 

Regards,

bulier

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@ROBASEFR,

Trying repairing file permissions on that volume. That should fix it.

 

MAJ

Thank you MAJ , That did it !

 

Concerning my wake problem:

 

Still no wake from sleep ! :(

Tried Your modified DSDT and tried with DSDT patcher from 8.05 script , but no difference.

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DD Just wanted to make a few notes on my jump to maverick attempt.

 

I tried creating the bootable USB with the script and for whatever reason could not get around the Boot0 error when I tried booting to the stick. 

 

That said that was the only thing that didn't work for me, I'm currently on my freshly created Hac on my new MB. 

 

Manual sleep working (haven't tried autosleep), networking working, audio working, cpu power management working... all with only 3 Kexts, FakeSMC, AppleHDA and HDAEnabler1 for 898 audio. No DSDT required, and no KP's 3 hours in. 

 

Once I was in, I used your script to do all the heavy lifting and help me clean up. Thanks as always for the awesome script, great work. 

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Hi MAJ,

Thanks for your promote reply. \

The "desktop" is actually showing up, but just the background image and a out screen mouse pointer(you can move it into the screen), not a black screen, the central window didn't show up. I think I wait a enough long time before I click or press enter. There is once I noticed the top task bar context menu did show up when I hover the mouse pointer there. I'm using the ATI 4870, it actually worked well before.

 

I hope that helps.

 

Regards,

bulier

Well, wish I could offer you some helpful advice here. But, once you have seen the desktop, all control has clearly been handed off to the OS and the script and bootloader is no longer in involved. There may be some incompatibility issue with the ATI 4870, but it doesn't appear likely if you have gotten this far. Other than a corrupted install, I don't know what else to offer.  :(

 

Thank you MAJ , That did it !

 

Concerning my wake problem:

 

Still no wake from sleep ! :(

Tried Your modified DSDT and tried with DSDT patcher from 8.05 script , but no difference.

You're not the only one. I've heard from a number of others regarding sleep issues.

Have you tried disconnecting all USB devices, except just keyboard and mouse, if wired, and see how it responds?

 

Do you have the same bootloader version installed on all bootable partitions?

 

 

@Sidewinder33,

Thanks for your feedback.

When booting to the stick, did you select the stick from the BIOS drive selector (F12> Hard Drive)?

 

MAJ

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@Sidewinder33,

Thanks for your feedback.

When booting to the stick, did you select the stick from the BIOS drive selector (F12> Hard Drive)?

 

MAJ

MAJ, 

 

It was with the BIOS drive selector, specifically turned off all the UEFI settings to no avail. I had to create the Disk with another program and do my initial install with that. I'm going to try booting to the drive I made with your script after I got in to see if it was just a bad build or what I'll keep you posted. 

 

Edit: Just booted into it with no errors, no clue what the problem was before but it doesnt seem to be an issue still.

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SCRIPT UPDATE:

UPDATE: 11/11/13 - version 8.0.6

  • Fixed an issue where the native power management check in Utilities would fail when checking the system.log for messages from the AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement.kext. This resulted in the status recorded as "failed" and was due to Mavericks OS using gzip to compress the system log, instead of bzip2 as in previous releases.
  • Fixed "About This Mac" graphic installer. Now works with Mavericks, which requires the 4-character extension .tiff. Also works with Mountain Lion, which requires that the included .tif graphic files be converted to PNG format with the .png extension. I never thought Apple would keep changing the formats or naming convention on these files with each major OS release.
  • Included a 64-bit version of the lspci command so the native power management patch in the DSDT script will function correctly in the OS install environment. The previous version was 32-bit only and didn't work with the 64-bit libraries in the OS Install environment.
  • Moved all logs to /Library/Logs so that they are easily accessible in Console. Mavericks made it a pain managing the logs, as the window positions are never saved and the open log is not saved to the Log List. Additionally, keeping the logs at the "Now" position was broken and unpredictable. Accessing them in /Library/Logs appears to fix these issues.
kind regards,

MAJ

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Hi.

I have little problem with Mavericks.

I'm install clean install (from appstore made by hackinstaller script on usb) on fresh partition.

Then import programs and settings from 8.5 system. Now system working, BUT! system don't remember password and settings of many programs. I must write passwords and setting programs after restart. I have problem with login to Apple Store "An unknown error has occurred".

please help! ;-)

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Hello Digital_Dreamer

 

Today i'd like to install Bootloader on a AppleRAID with your gray script and saw this:

 

     v7.1 by digital_dreamer                         ||

  ============================================================================

 

 NON-SUPPORTED OS VERSION! 

 This script will only run on Snow Leopard, Lion or Mountain Lion OS!

 

So i'm very happy that you spend your time in writing a new Version for Mavricks...

 

Thanks a lot!!! It's a great work...

 

Greetings from Switzerland

 

Andi

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Hello Digital_Dreamer

 

Today i'd like to install Bootloader on a AppleRAID with your gray script and saw this:

 

     v7.1 by digital_dreamer                         ||

  ============================================================================

 

 NON-SUPPORTED OS VERSION! 

 This script will only run on Snow Leopard, Lion or Mountain Lion OS!

 

So i'm very happy that you spend your time in writing a new Version for Mavricks...

 

Thanks a lot!!! It's a great work...

 

Greetings from Switzerland

 

 

Maybe you download version 8.0.6! :P

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I am currently Dual-Booting Windows 7 and Mavericks from a 640 gig HDD with an MBR partition table. Currently got my hands on an "old" OCZ Vetrex 2 SSD with 128 gigs.

Know, anyone seeing a way how to use fusion drive without getting a spare HDD while still dual booting?

 

Not seeing the point of getting new hard drive atm, because I'm planning to get a NAS when moving to a new flat in spring. Getting a 512gb SSD for Mavericks could be the better choice finally...

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Hello MaJ,

 

Just want to say that I found some kext updates for EX58-UD5 mobo.( OSX 10.9.1)

 

  • RealtekRTL811.kext (v.1.1.3 ) that I replaced inside IONetworkingFamily.kext/ plugins (instead of RealtekRTL81xx.kext)

(See capture below)

 

  • AppleUSBXHCI.kext  instead of GenericUSBXHCI.kext ( version 1.2.7)
  • New QE_CI Exotic patch OS X Mavericks (10.9.1)

Happy Christmas !

RealtekRTL8111.kext.zip

AppleUSBXHCI v650.4.3 (10.9).zip

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So the EX58-UD5 seems to keep going  :D

 

Also on 10.9.1 but this seemed more tricky than usual. Had all sorts of challenges with this

 

gray screen on installer

sandbox pid errors on mavericks boot

AppleCPU management kernel panic

hang on boot at very start

 

In the end I gave up and did a clean install of mavericks which worked

 

 

kept getting kernel panics when running due to incorrect cpu config when I tried a few of the new DSDT's. I've now gone back to one of my old safe ones which seem to work

Then had the challenge of moving all my old apps back, unfortunately AppStore kept giving the unknown error message so that took me a couple of days to fix

Managed to get most of them back although I need to work on the 4 Apple apps that are stuck i.e. iWork and Aperture (bought those pre- App Store days) - all other Apps are fine

 

 

Maybe me, but I get the feeling that Apple are getting stricter on bios settings, I couldn't unlock the Appstore until I modified my SMBios.plist and DSDT?


Free Xcode 5 just download, I had to revalidate my credit card details which has freed up the other frozen paid for apps  :w00t:

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Merry christmas guys!

I tried to set up a fusion drive today. It boots up really fast and I am happy so far. However, there are some questions left.

What I did:

- Create Fusion drive

- Clone my system partition (Macintosh HD) with CCC to fusion drive (Partition: Fusion HD)

- installed bootloader on fusion drive

- installed DSDT

- installed kexts (Combo Mode)

- booted system

 

At first boot, the system was just as slow as with the old HDD. Because I was suspicious, I removed the old HDD and fired the system up again. This time it was as fast as I'd expect it too. I definitely chose the new "Fusion HD" the first time, but the system possibly bootet to old "Macintosh HD" (also dropbox didn't open setup assistant the first time, while it normally does when UUID changes - second time it did).

 

Now it works. In finder I can see my "Fusion HD". In chameleon bootloader, I can see "Fusion HD" AND "Fusion HD 2" (no difference when booting though). How can I fix this?

Hackinstaller script shows "Fusion HD" AND "Fusion HD (Fusion Drive)" when editing plists, but I can only choose one install target.

 

Could you also briefly explain how "Boot OSX" partition works? Where do "Extra" folder and boot files have to be located to work correctly?

 

 

 

Another issue: hackinstaller does install kexts correctly when not changing install target. As soon as I "change" install target (I actually can't choose from different ones, because there only is the fusion drive), it gives "can't install with no OS installed" error.

 

Edit: My duplicate "Fusion HD" might have shown up after I tried to install bootloader a second time, after "changing" install target and receiving "no OS installed" error.

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So the EX58-UD5 seems to keep going  :D

 

Also on 10.9.1 but this seemed more tricky than usual. Had all sorts of challenges with this

 

gray screen on installer

sandbox pid errors on mavericks boot

AppleCPU management kernel panic

hang on boot at very start

 

In the end I gave up and did a clean install of mavericks which worked

 

 

kept getting kernel panics when running due to incorrect cpu config when I tried a few of the new DSDT's. I've now gone back to one of my old safe ones which seem to work

Then had the challenge of moving all my old apps back, unfortunately AppStore kept giving the unknown error message so that took me a couple of days to fix

Managed to get most of them back although I need to work on the 4 Apple apps that are stuck i.e. iWork and Aperture (bought those pre- App Store days) - all other Apps are fine

 

 

Maybe me, but I get the feeling that Apple are getting stricter on bios settings, I couldn't unlock the Appstore until I modified my SMBios.plist and DSDT?

Free Xcode 5 just download, I had to revalidate my credit card details which has freed up the other frozen paid for apps  :w00t:

 

 

So far so good, Mavericks is working better than SL/Lion for me (stopped upgrading at Lion), magic mouse even wakes from sleep using BT and doesn't have random dropouts like on SL & Lion

 

Only casualty being Aperture 3, and iWork 09 getting stuck in Appstore as they were installed pre App Store - still got the receipt so I may put in a request to apple for a new serial no

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Only casualty being Aperture 3, and iWork 09 getting stuck in Appstore as they were installed pre App Store - still got the receipt so I may put in a request to apple for a new serial no

 

Use Clover to overcome this, once it works in Clover the subsequent update can be done with Chameleon.

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Thanks, I've always used Chameleon and never tried Clover 

 

I'm assuming I can use Clover on this motherboard since you are recommending it  :D ?

 

Just noticed a funny, if I manually sleep then computer wakes up fine, if auto sleep then computer shuts down and I get the old CMOS reset bug from Lion (sure I had this problem before ! ) Was this ever fixed ? (once I got things working under Lion well enough I stopped upgrading/fiddling )

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Had a CMOS reset today to when trying to sleep manually. Didn't have that for a long time but installed a fusion drive too.. maybe 10.9.1 brought that back?

 

I wonder what's the best method to get sleep working. Never succeeded since 10.5 or so. At least I now got Powermanagement and LPC kext to load. Do you use sleepenabler?

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Hi

 

No I only ever use FakeSMC , SMbios and DSDT. CMOS reset was a bug that (re)appeared in Lion, I just lived with it as I didn't reboot often and used sleep. I never had 10.9 since I went from Lion to 10.9.1 so not sure what it was doing in between so made no real difference for me, but it is annoying  ^_^  I'm a bit out of touch with the latest tweaks over the past couple of years but I generally try to keep any fixes to DSDT

 

As an aside, just noticed if you use a real Serial number (i.e. there is a real mac out there registered with it) then iCloud may not work because that person may have used their 5GB allowance. So I changed back to the old serial I had been using since Leopard days and that worked (correct format serial but no real machine out there!)

 

 

Edit: - just auto sleeped and worked normally after turning wake on ethernet off

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So sleep works for me now partially after enabling C and P states in bootloader. But I get a CMOS reset at first restart after sleep (system wakes correctly and works until i restart the mac).

 

Hackinstaller analysis claims:

Checking for required kexts:
AppleLPC.kext is loaded.
AppleHPET.kext is loaded.
AppleIntelCPUPowerManagementClient.kext is loaded.
All three required kexts are loaded!

The following are relevant bootloader messages:
Found ACPI CPU: CPU0
Found ACPI CPU: CPU1
Found ACPI CPU: CPU2
Found ACPI CPU: CPU3
Found ACPI CPU: CPU4
Found ACPI CPU: CPU5
Found ACPI CPU: CPU6
Found ACPI CPU: CPU7
Found ACPI CPU: CPU8
Found ACPI CPU: CPU9
Found ACPI CPU: CPUA
Found ACPI CPU: CPUB
Found ACPI CPU: CPUC
Found ACPI CPU: CPUD
Found ACPI CPU: CPUE
Found ACPI CPU: CPUF
SSDT with CPU C-States generated successfully
P-States: min 0xc, max 0x15
SSDT with CPU P-States generated successfully

The following are compiled from kernel.log messages:
./HackInstaller_Utilities.sh: line 357: /var/log/kernel.log: No such file or directory
Checking AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement: Failed
./HackInstaller_Utilities.sh: line 357: /var/log/kernel.log: No such file or directory
Checking LPC device: Okay

P-States in the ioreg (decimal):
21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12  

Installed kexts: FakeSMC, AppleRTC, JMicron36xSATA, IONetworkingFamily, ApleHDA, HDAEnabler1

Patched DSDT with hackinstaller - no errors. Applied iMessages and Sata fix when installing bootloader.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Edit: CMOS Reset was fixed by installing AppleRTC.kext to S/L/E instead of /Extra! Autosleep works too.

Power management: Hard drives: checked; Wake on Ethernet: not checked; reboot on power failure: checked;

Since sleep didn't work for me for a long time, IMO MBR partition scheme could possibly break sleep.

 

Still can see duplicate "Fusion HD", they identify as hd(0,3) and hd(1,3), which are "Boot OS X" partitions.

 

Also: should there be UUID applied to bootloader plist? Hackinstaller created boot-UUID flag, but did not apply UUID.

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Now got WiFi  :yes:

 

I upgraded my Apple TV gen 1 with a Crystal HD card (this has to sit in the min PCI slot for the wireless card so the wifi card had to come out)

 

So having a spare Apple WiFI card I naturally put it in my Hackingtosh

 

Next step - put the Apple Bluetooth module I bought in, provided I can find the antenna  :hysterical:

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Now got Bluetooth

 

here is what system profiler says (both Apple native Bluetooth and WiFi cards)

 

Apple Bluetooth Software Version: 4.2.0f6 12982

  Hardware Settings:

  Address: Xxxxxxxxxxxx

  Manufacturer: Cambridge Silicon Radio

  Name: xxxxxMacPro

  Firmware Version: 1965

  Bluetooth Power: On

  Discoverable: Off

  Connectable: Yes

  Auto Seek Keyboard: On

  Auto Seek Pointing: On

  Remote wake: On

  Vendor ID: 0x05AC

  Product ID: 0x8205

  HCI Version: 0x3

  HCI Revision: 0x7AD

  LMP Version: 0x3

  LMP Subversion: 0x7AD

  Device Type (Major): Computer

  Device Type (Complete): Mac Desktop

  Composite Class Of Device: 0x380104

  Device Class (Major): 0x01

  Device Class (Minor): 0x01

  Service Class: 0x1C0

  Devices (Paired, Configured, etc):

  xxxxxx’s Trackpad:

  Address: C4-2C-03-3D-0C-DB

  Major Type: Trackpad

  Minor Type: Peripheral

  Services: Apple Wireless Trackpad

  Paired: Yes

  Configured: Yes

  Connected: Yes

  Manufacturer: Apple (0x3, 0x31C)

  Battery Level: 100%

  Firmware Version: 0x0160

  Vendor ID: 0x05AC

  Product ID: 0x030E

  Class of Device: 0x05 0x25 0x2594

  AFH: On

  AFH Map: FFFF7F000FFFFFF7F

  RSSI: -67

  Role: Master

  Host Connectable: Yes

  EDR Supported: No

  eSCO Supported: No

  SSP Supported: No

  xxxxxxxx’s mouse:

  Address: 60-FB-42-FA-56-CC

  Major Type: Mouse

  Minor Type: Peripheral

  Services: Apple Wireless Mouse

  Paired: Yes

  Configured: Yes

  Connected: Yes

  Manufacturer: Apple (0x3, 0x31C)

  Battery Level: 100%

  Firmware Version: 0x0084

  Vendor ID: 0x05AC

  Product ID: 0x030D

  Class of Device: 0x05 0x20 0x2580

  AFH: On

  AFH Map: FFFF7F000FFFFFF7F

  RSSI: -55

  Role: Master

  Host Connectable: Yes

  EDR Supported: No

  eSCO Supported: No

  SSP Supported: No

  Services:

  Bluetooth File Transfer:

  Folder other devices can browse: ~/Public

  When receiving items: Prompt for each file

  State: Disabled

  Bluetooth File Exchange:

  Folder for accepted items: ~/Downloads

  When other items are accepted: Ask

  When receiving items: Prompt for each file

  State: Disabled

  Bluetooth Internet Sharing:

  State: Disabled

  Incoming Serial Ports:

  Bluetooth-Incoming-Port:

  RFCOMM Channel: 3

  Requires Authentication: No

  Outgoing Serial Ports:

  Bluetooth-Modem:

  Address:

  RFCOMM Channel: 0

  Requires Authentication: No

 
 
Here is what it says about WiFi
 

Software Versions:

  CoreWLAN: 4.0 (400.45.1)

  CoreWLANKit: 3.0 (300.35)

  Menu Extra: 9.0 (900.34)

  System Information: 9.0 (900.8)

  IO80211 Family: 6.0 (600.34)

  Diagnostics: 3.0 (300.37)

  AirPort Utility: 6.3.2 (632.3)

  Interfaces:

en3:

  Card Type: AirPort Extreme  (0x14E4, 0x87)

  Firmware Version: Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (5.10.131.36.16)

  MAC Address: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

  Locale: ETSI

  Country Code: GB

  Supported PHY Modes: 802.11 a/b/g/n

  Supported Channels: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 36, 40, 44, 48, 52, 56, 60, 64, 100, 104, 108, 112, 116, 120, 124, 128, 132, 136, 140

  Status: Connected

  Current Network Information:

XXXXXXXXXX AIRPORT:

  PHY Mode: 802.11n

  BSSID: 00:25:bc:8c:86:09

  Channel: 6

  Country Code: GB

  Network Type: Infrastructure

  Security: WPA2 Personal

  Signal / Noise: -34 dBm / -82 dBm

  Transmit Rate: 52

  MCS Index: 11

  Other Local Wi-Fi Networks:

BTHub3-4R9Q:

  PHY Mode: 802.11n

  BSSID: 20:f3:a3:2b:8f:df

  Channel: 1

  Network Type: Infrastructure

  Security: WPA/WPA2 Personal

  Signal / Noise: -56 dBm / -92 dBm

BTHub3-RKX5:

  PHY Mode: 802.11n

  BSSID: 34:6b:d3:3f:11:a4

  Channel: 11

  Network Type: Infrastructure

  Security: WPA/WPA2 Personal

  Signal / Noise: -76 dBm / -92 dBm

BTWiFi:

  PHY Mode: 802.11n

  BSSID: 3a:f3:a3:2b:8f:d8

  Channel: 1

  Network Type: Infrastructure

  Security: None

  Signal / Noise: -56 dBm / -78 dBm

BTWiFi-with-FON:

  PHY Mode: 802.11n

  BSSID: 12:62:2c:69:29:26

  Channel: 1

  Country Code: GB

  Network Type: Infrastructure

  Security: None

  Signal / Noise: -78 dBm / -79 dBm

BTWiFi-with-FON:

  PHY Mode: 802.11n

  BSSID: 3a:f3:a3:2b:8f:d9

  Channel: 1

  Network Type: Infrastructure

  Security: None

  Signal / Noise: -57 dBm / -78 dBm

BTWiFi-with-FON:

  PHY Mode: 802.11n

  BSSID: 5a:6b:d3:3f:11:a6

  Channel: 11

  Network Type: Infrastructure

  Security: None

  Signal / Noise: -75 dBm / -78 dBm

XXXXXXXXX AIRPORT:

  PHY Mode: 802.11n

  BSSID: 00:23:12:fb:9c:2b

  Channel: 6

  Country Code: GB

  Network Type: Infrastructure

  Security: WPA2 Personal

  Signal / Noise: -71 dBm / -78 dBm

XXXXXXXXX AIRPORT:

  PHY Mode: 802.11n

  BSSID: 00:23:6c:bf:14:e9

  Channel: 6

  Country Code: GB

  Network Type: Infrastructure

  Security: WPA2 Personal

  Signal / Noise: -50 dBm / -78 dBm

XXXXXXXXX AIRPORT 5GHz:

  PHY Mode: 802.11n

  BSSID: 00:25:bc:8c:86:0a

  Channel: 100,+1

  Country Code: GB

  Network Type: Infrastructure

  Security: WPA2 Personal

  Signal / Noise: -22 dBm / -87 dBm

 

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So sleep works for me now partially after enabling C and P states in bootloader. But I get a CMOS reset at first restart after sleep (system wakes correctly and works until i restart the mac).

 

Hackinstaller analysis claims:

Checking for required kexts:
AppleLPC.kext is loaded.
AppleHPET.kext is loaded.
AppleIntelCPUPowerManagementClient.kext is loaded.
All three required kexts are loaded!

The following are relevant bootloader messages:
Found ACPI CPU: CPU0
Found ACPI CPU: CPU1
Found ACPI CPU: CPU2
Found ACPI CPU: CPU3
Found ACPI CPU: CPU4
Found ACPI CPU: CPU5
Found ACPI CPU: CPU6
Found ACPI CPU: CPU7
Found ACPI CPU: CPU8
Found ACPI CPU: CPU9
Found ACPI CPU: CPUA
Found ACPI CPU: CPUB
Found ACPI CPU: CPUC
Found ACPI CPU: CPUD
Found ACPI CPU: CPUE
Found ACPI CPU: CPUF
SSDT with CPU C-States generated successfully
P-States: min 0xc, max 0x15
SSDT with CPU P-States generated successfully

The following are compiled from kernel.log messages:
./HackInstaller_Utilities.sh: line 357: /var/log/kernel.log: No such file or directory
Checking AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement: Failed
./HackInstaller_Utilities.sh: line 357: /var/log/kernel.log: No such file or directory
Checking LPC device: Okay

P-States in the ioreg (decimal):
21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12  

Installed kexts: FakeSMC, AppleRTC, JMicron36xSATA, IONetworkingFamily, ApleHDA, HDAEnabler1

Patched DSDT with hackinstaller - no errors. Applied iMessages and Sata fix when installing bootloader.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Edit: CMOS Reset was fixed by installing AppleRTC.kext to S/L/E instead of /Extra! Autosleep works too.

Power management: Hard drives: checked; Wake on Ethernet: not checked; reboot on power failure: checked;

Since sleep didn't work for me for a long time, IMO MBR partition scheme could possibly break sleep.

 

Still can see duplicate "Fusion HD", they identify as hd(0,3) and hd(1,3), which are "Boot OS X" partitions.

 

Also: should there be UUID applied to bootloader plist? Hackinstaller created boot-UUID flag, but did not apply UUID.

 

The AppleRTC fixed my Mavericks sleep issues - works on manual and auto with no CMOS reset problem  :)

 

Also the BT (macbook blue tooth card) module supports wake on Bluetooth Magic mouse/Trackpad and doesn't have the dongle drop out issues (or sleep / wake / lost connection issues )

 

Just need the Clover/ Appstore (iWork/Aperture 3.0)  fix to iWork and I'm good (apart from wifi airdrop but I don't need it)

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Hi,

 

Thank you MAJ for you work with this. For me it works perfect except for one little irritating defect.

 

My problem is that Installer doesn't run properly in 10.9 and 10.9.1. Any one else that has experienced this, and more important, any one sitting on a solution?

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