Craig4 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 hey has anyone read their temps on the i7 yet? I am oc'd @ 3.0ghz and have idle temps of 45C on each core. I am using the hardware monitor from http://www.bresink.com/osx/ updated to the 9.6 kernel and everything seems to be going well. Quick question to wolfie or digital, can I delete the smbios from the extensions folder for the efi loader? I remember you saying they weren't needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterav Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 hey has anyone read their temps on the i7 yet? I am oc'd @ 3.0ghz and have idle temps of 45C on each core. I am using the hardware monitor from http://www.bresink.com/osx/ updated to the 9.6 kernel and everything seems to be going well. Quick question to wolfie or digital, can I delete the smbios from the extensions folder for the efi loader? I remember you saying they weren't needed. also used the tempt monitor program of that website, overclock to 3,8 ghz gave around 48 /56 idle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig4 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 I don't know why but sometimes when I go to shut down I get a KP now... anyone know why that might be, never happened with 9.5 kernel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digital_dreamer Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 hey has anyone read their temps on the i7 yet? I am oc'd @ 3.0ghz and have idle temps of 45C on each core. I am using the hardware monitor from http://www.bresink.com/osx/ updated to the 9.6 kernel and everything seems to be going well. Quick question to wolfie or digital, can I delete the smbios from the extensions folder for the efi loader? I remember you saying they weren't needed. also used the tempt monitor program of that website, overclock to 3,8 ghz gave around 48 /56 idle Like walterav mentioned, I use the Temperature Monitor and have had good success with it. Very full featured. My temps with the 3.8GHz OC are 40°C at idle with the TRUE heatsink and 64CFM fan. With Prime95 running for 5 hours, it maxed out at 91°C. Pretty respectable for the Core i7. Those temperatures from the Temperature Monitor on OS X are comparatively equal to the Windows side running Prime95 with its assortment of temp monitors, as well. I don't know why but sometimes when I go to shut down I get a KP now... anyone know why that might be, never happened with 9.5 kernel Can you provide a log, as well as your specs, for us? I can't remember or keep track of who has what anymore. regards, MAJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig4 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Like walterav mentioned, I use the Temperature Monitor and have had good success with it. Very full featured.My temps with the 3.8GHz OC are 40°C at idle with the TRUE heatsink and 64CFM fan. With Prime95 running for 5 hours, it maxed out at 91°C. Pretty respectable for the Core i7. Those temperatures from the Temperature Monitor on OS X are comparatively equal to the Windows side running Prime95 with its assortment of temp monitors, as well. Can you provide a log, as well as your specs, for us? I can't remember or keep track of who has what anymore. regards, MAJ Hey Digital I am going through the logs right now and I have been getting this HDA one since the beginning so that one isn't new, but the one about the model is new. I will post new ones as I see them. Jan 25 21:12:21 Craigs-Maci7 kernel[0]: "macmodel" boot argument not found, Mac model set as "MacBookPro5,1" Jan 25 21:12:21 Craigs-Maci7 kernel[0]: Sound assertion "0 != result" failed in "/SourceCache/AppleHDA/AppleHDA-162.1.37/AppleHDA/AppleHDADriver.cpp" at line 2742 goto handler Jan 25 21:12:51: --- last message repeated 51 times --- Jan 25 21:12:51 Craigs-Maci7 kernel[0]: Sound assertion "0 != result" failed in "/SourceCache/AppleHDA/AppleHDA-162.1.37/AppleHDA/AppleHDADriver.cpp" at line 2742 goto handler Jan 25 21:28:30 Craigs-Maci7 kernel[0]: [MSR] detected invalid rdmsr(000000cd) by com.bresink.driver.BRESINKx86Monitoring at 0x5d9da4f0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digital_dreamer Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Hey Digital I am going through the logs right now and I have been getting this HDA one since the beginning so that one isn't new, but the one about the model is new. I will post new ones as I see them. Jan 25 21:12:21 Craigs-Maci7 kernel[0]: "macmodel" boot argument not found, Mac model set as "MacBookPro5,1" Jan 25 21:12:21 Craigs-Maci7 kernel[0]: Sound assertion "0 != result" failed in "/SourceCache/AppleHDA/AppleHDA-162.1.37/AppleHDA/AppleHDADriver.cpp" at line 2742 goto handler Jan 25 21:12:51: --- last message repeated 51 times --- Jan 25 21:12:51 Craigs-Maci7 kernel[0]: Sound assertion "0 != result" failed in "/SourceCache/AppleHDA/AppleHDA-162.1.37/AppleHDA/AppleHDADriver.cpp" at line 2742 goto handler Jan 25 21:28:30 Craigs-Maci7 kernel[0]: [MSR] detected invalid rdmsr(000000cd) by com.bresink.driver.BRESINKx86Monitoring at 0x5d9da4f0 If you're on the Boot from EFI setup, you're in luck. For all those using this method and are getting the following recurring errors: Jan 25 14:50:02 Michaels-Macalem-i7 kernel[0]: Sound assertion "0 != result" failed in "/SourceCache/AppleHDA/AppleHDA-162.1.37/AppleHDA/AppleHDADriver.cpp" at line 2742 goto handler tmongkol has provided a fix for that from this 889A thread. (Solved by adding Digital Input's NodeID in pathmap.) Download and install this Sound assertion errors fix for Boot from EFI Partition setup: Legacy 3outs3ins digital HDA headphone update This particular bundle includes the HDAEnabler.kext, LegacyHDAController.kext, and LegacyHDAPlatformDriver.kext. Also included is the latest AppleSMBIOS.kext published by karrakeha1, to get Digital Output working. This update supports HDA front audio: When you plug headphones in, the front speakers will be automatically muted. Also, in System Preferences' Sound, the name Internal Speakers will be changed to Headphones. Additionally, the Microphone inputs include the "Use ambient noise reduction" option. I've already updated the version numbers so that they receive loading priority. As for the mac model errors, that's from Andy's Voodoo kernel, unfortunately. That shouldn't be happening, as that information should be coming from the AppleSMBIOS.kext. But, all of us using his compiled version of the kernel have this same issue. You can modify or delete the AppleSMBIOS.kext all you want, no harm done. It's for reading the low level BIOS information and presenting it to System Profiler and other programs that need it. Unfortunately, due to Andy's work, we won't be able to get rid of the Model Identifier (in any way that I know of). Prior to this kernel update, we were able to change all of this. We'll have to wait for the official Voodoo 9.6 update, which should be released at the end of this month. You can change the Model Name, however, by modifying the SPMachineTypes.plist located in System/Library/SystemProfiler/SPPlatformReporter.spreporter/Contents/Resources/ regards, MAJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
np_ Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 why did you guys return the intel x58 board? i couldnt follow the whole thread as it simply is too long ... i got the DX58SO intel and everything works fine with kaly 10.5.3 except the sound.. even got 8 different graphs showing up on activity monitor the sound is ICH10 with Realtek ALC889 and i simply cannot get it working is there anyone out there who could help me? thanks mm try this one attached ( replace AppleHDA.kext with it and clear kext cache ) AppleHDA.kext.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig4 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 If you're on the Boot from EFI setup, you're in luck. For all those using this method and are getting the following recurring errors: Jan 25 14:50:02 Michaels-Macalem-i7 kernel[0]: Sound assertion "0 != result" failed in "/SourceCache/AppleHDA/AppleHDA-162.1.37/AppleHDA/AppleHDADriver.cpp" at line 2742 goto handler tmongkol has provided a fix for that from this 889A thread. (Solved by adding Digital Input's NodeID in pathmap.) Download and install this Sound assertion errors fix for Boot from EFI Partition setup: Legacy 3outs3ins digital HDA headphone update This particular bundle includes the HDAEnabler.kext, LegacyHDAController.kext, and LegacyHDAPlatformDriver.kext. Also included is the latest AppleSMBIOS.kext published by karrakeha1, to get Digital Output working. This update supports HDA front audio: When you plug headphones in, the front speakers will be automatically muted. Also, in System Preferences' Sound, the name Internal Speakers will be changed to Headphones. Additionally, the Microphone inputs include the "Use ambient noise reduction" option. I've already updated the version numbers so that they receive loading priority. As for the mac model errors, that's from Andy's Voodoo kernel, unfortunately. That shouldn't be happening, as that information should be coming from the AppleSMBIOS.kext. But, all of us using his compiled version of the kernel have this same issue. You can modify or delete the AppleSMBIOS.kext all you want, no harm done. It's for reading the low level BIOS information and presenting it to System Profiler and other programs that need it. Unfortunately, due to Andy's work, we won't be able to get rid of the Model Identifier (in any way that I know of). Prior to this kernel update, we were able to change all of this. We'll have to wait for the official Voodoo 9.6 update, which should be released at the end of this month. You can change the Model Name, however, by modifying the SPMachineTypes.plist located in System/Library/SystemProfiler/SPPlatformReporter.spreporter/Contents/Resources/ regards, MAJ Wow thanks Digital, you made that pretty easy for me. I posted this earlier, but don't know if anyone saw it. I am getting this error when I try running single player of Call of Duty 4 for Mac, I can play the multiplayer but when I click the single player it just bounces once crashes and give me the error. Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS) Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000001 Crashed Thread: 0 Thread 0 Crashed: 0 ??? 0x0001e4a1 0 + 124065 1 ??? 0x01e32929 0 + 31664425 2 dyld 0x8fe11966 ImageLoaderMachO::doModInitFunctions(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&) + 246 3 dyld 0x8fe0d983 ImageLoader::recursiveInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int) + 307 4 dyld 0x8fe0da69 ImageLoader::runInitializers(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&) + 57 5 dyld 0x8fe03df2 dyld::initializeMainExecutable() + 130 6 dyld 0x8fe0720d dyld::_main(mach_header const*, unsigned long, int, char const**, char const**, char const**) + 2173 7 dyld 0x8fe01872 dyldbootstrap::start(mach_header const*, int, char const**, long) + 818 8 dyld 0x8fe01037 _dyld_start + 39 (dyldStartup.s:112) Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit): eax: 0x0001e4a1 ebx: 0x01e3311a ecx: 0x00000000 edx: 0x0001e39f edi: 0x00000001 esi: 0x000013f4 ebp: 0xbffff268 esp: 0xbffff23c ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010246 eip: 0x0001e4a1 cs: 0x00000017 ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x00000000 gs: 0x00000037 cr2: 0x00000001 Binary Images: 0x8fe00000 - 0x8fe298a3 dyld 0.0 (???) <d1092af4e89e77aa121dd5fb0c855cd9> /usr/lib/dyld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaE-V Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Second 9800GTX+ came in today still working on the best options for the EVGA x58 board. Once i figure out audio i'll make a guide. But from my last week of going hard at it, seems as if the best disk for install is iATKOS 5i with the 9.5.0 kernel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig4 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Second 9800GTX+ came in today still working on the best options for the EVGA x58 board. Once i figure out audio i'll make a guide. But from my last week of going hard at it, seems as if the best disk for install is iATKOS 5i with the 9.5.0 kernel. keep up the good work, took me 3 weeks to get my computer up and running. Now I get to enjoy typing these posts on my i7 mac btw you are going to be running dual 9800gtx? How do you plan on going about doing that if so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_donald Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 my install keeps failing at the 22% stage with the installer could not validate the contents of the 'additionalspeechvoices' package. contact the software manufacturer for assistance. in the log it says that the 'additionalspeechvoices' package failed to validate. an anyone help??? using the guide... http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=144639 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digital_dreamer Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 The Gigabyte crew has finally branched out into the Tutorials forum. [GUIDE] Retail OS X Install (10.5.6) on Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 (Core i7) Mobo 2 in 1 - Standard Retail DVD & Boot from EFI Partition install Both my Retail DVD install and wolfienuke's Boot from EFI Partition installer script is there (or, in the case of wolfienuke, will be ). I will discontinue updates to the guide in this "Upcoming Intel X58 Mobos & Core i7 CPUs" thread and include a link to the current one. regards, MAJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_donald Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 well i have given up and decided to try iPC OSx86 10.5.6 Universal FINAL cant get it to boot though... seem to get the grey screen then the computer just resets... when booting from the dvd... i have used normal and your bios settings from this thread... Asus P6T Deluxe X58 (Socket 1366) DDR3 PCI-E ATX Motherboard Corsair 6GB DDR3 (3 x 2048MB) TR3X6G1333C9 PC3-10666 (1333Mhz) TRI Channel Kit Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz Nehalem 8mb Cache LGA1366 - Retail Hitachi P7K500 Deskstar 250GB 7200RPM SATA 3GB/s 8MB Cache - OEM Palit nVidia GeForce 9600GT 512MB GDDR3 Dual DVI/HDTV (PCI-E) - Retail no idea what to do and how to get it working.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHAWKs Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 well i have given up and decided to try iPC OSx86 10.5.6 Universal FINAL cant get it to boot though... seem to get the grey screen then the computer just resets... when booting from the dvd... i have used normal and your bios settings from this thread... Asus P6T Deluxe X58 (Socket 1366) DDR3 PCI-E ATX Motherboard Corsair 6GB DDR3 (3 x 2048MB) TR3X6G1333C9 PC3-10666 (1333Mhz) TRI Channel Kit Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz Nehalem 8mb Cache LGA1366 - Retail Hitachi P7K500 Deskstar 250GB 7200RPM SATA 3GB/s 8MB Cache - OEM Palit nVidia GeForce 9600GT 512MB GDDR3 Dual DVI/HDTV (PCI-E) - Retail no idea what to do and how to get it working.. Boot with one core Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_donald Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Boot with one core tried that still get the same thing... really annoying me now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_donald Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 ok getting better but still no where... did this... 1. Burn the .iso you find attached at the bottom on a CD and reboot with it. NOTE: The .iso comes with no graphic support. If you want to put your graphic kext in it you can do so by following Superhai's method. If you have Windows you have to extract the .iso, and use Transmac (google it) to copy the kext in the initrd.img file. Then burn the CD making sure you burn it as a bootable CD (ISOLINUX.BIN would be your boot file). 2. If you are asked to, press [F8] (this doesn't happen to everybody). When the Darwin prompt appears, press [ESC], eject the CD and put ipc universalDVD, wait about 10 seconds (till the green light stops blinking), press [ENTER] and then [F8] 3. Write rd(0,1)/mach_kernel.voodoo busratio=20 -v -f rd=disk[n]s3 and press [ENTER]. Your installation should load now. You will have to substitute busratio=20 with busratio=22 if you own a i7 940, or busratio=24 with a 965. You will also have to substitute [n] with the right number. If you did as I told you, your number is 1. If you have more then one HDD or if your DVD is PATA try with a different number, starting from 0. If your DVD is not original, you will probably have to specify a different number instead of 3 as well. 4. Install Leopard! NOTE: You will probably get an error stating something like: Attempting to Determine CPU multiplier Determined CPU: FSB multiplier to be 0 Says 0 but makes no sense... the kernel as shipped by apple will not support this and will cause the machine to reboot immediatly... Press y to continue or crt, alt, del to reboot. Press y and keep going. after there i get stuck again... with all the prompt etc it gets stuck 'still waiting for root device' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterav Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 ok getting better but still no where... did this... 1. Burn the .iso you find attached at the bottom on a CD and reboot with it. NOTE: The .iso comes with no graphic support. If you want to put your graphic kext in it you can do so by following Superhai's method. If you have Windows you have to extract the .iso, and use Transmac (google it) to copy the kext in the initrd.img file. Then burn the CD making sure you burn it as a bootable CD (ISOLINUX.BIN would be your boot file). 2. If you are asked to, press [F8] (this doesn't happen to everybody). When the Darwin prompt appears, press [ESC], eject the CD and put ipc universalDVD, wait about 10 seconds (till the green light stops blinking), press [ENTER] and then [F8] 3. Write rd(0,1)/mach_kernel.voodoo busratio=20 -v -f rd=disk[n]s3 and press [ENTER]. Your installation should load now. You will have to substitute busratio=20 with busratio=22 if you own a i7 940, or busratio=24 with a 965. You will also have to substitute [n] with the right number. If you did as I told you, your number is 1. If you have more then one HDD or if your DVD is PATA try with a different number, starting from 0. If your DVD is not original, you will probably have to specify a different number instead of 3 as well. 4. Install Leopard! NOTE: You will probably get an error stating something like: Attempting to Determine CPU multiplier Determined CPU: FSB multiplier to be 0 Says 0 but makes no sense... the kernel as shipped by apple will not support this and will cause the machine to reboot immediatly... Press y to continue or crt, alt, del to reboot. Press y and keep going. after there i get stuck again... with all the prompt etc it gets stuck 'still waiting for root device' Are you using the pre-boot-cd + a distro" ipc universalDVD" of leopard, or the real retail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ks2socal Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Im getting antsy to do a new build, I was going to go with a q9950 however with the price point core i7 seems more logical. Which Gigabyte board is the easiest to work with? I have a GA p35 DS3p right now and it has been awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaE-V Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Im getting antsy to do a new build, I was going to go with a q9950 however with the price point core i7 seems more logical. Which Gigabyte board is the easiest to work with? I have a GA p35 DS3p right now and it has been awesome. GA-X58-UD5 keep up the good work, took me 3 weeks to get my computer up and running. Now I get to enjoy typing these posts on my i7 mac btw you are going to be running dual 9800gtx? How do you plan on going about doing that if so? I actually, manually generated strings for both cards one at a time in pci-e slot 1 and pci-e slot 2 and combined them. However got no post since my bios doesnt support booting from the second card with an existing card in the first slot. I only have one monitor so i really just wanted the performance increase in gaming with SLI. So i have them both installed but only strings generated for the one i use in leo, SLI in windows. Dual cards however is possible yep, use vanilla applesmbios.kext + smbiosresolver.kext and remove other injectors like applesmbiosefi.kext might be also in the boot.com.plist if some experimental bootloader is used. fixed issue by restoring original acpiplatform.kext and installed smbiosefi.kext with original smbios. Still have the DDR2 issue however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangopeach Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I got a cheap (refurb) dell studio xps desktop for $700 and I'm wondering if I should even bother trying to get it working as a hackintosh. I already have a quad 3ghz Mac Pro but if I can get the Dell working reliably I would be stoked. the i7 really cooks and seems faster than the Mac Pro. Do you think its going to be hell to try and get the Dell studio xps working with 10.5x? Hardware for the dell: - Proprietary dell Motherboard (??) but I assume its x58 chipset - Intel Core i7-920 - 16X DVD +/- RW - 6 GB Tri-Channel DDR3 SDRAM 1066MHz (6 DIMMs) - 512MB ATI Radeon HD 4850 - on board audio (?) Currently its running windows 7 beta and I'd love getting osx working on another drive for a dual boot. Do you guys think this is more trouble than its worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaE-V Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I got a cheap (refurb) dell studio xps desktop for $700 and I'm wondering if I should even bother trying to get it working as a hackintosh. I already have a quad 3ghz Mac Pro but if I can get the Dell working reliably I would be stoked. the i7 really cooks and seems faster than the Mac Pro. Do you think its going to be hell to try and get the Dell studio xps working with 10.5x? Hardware for the dell: - Proprietary dell Motherboard (??) but I assume its x58 chipset - Intel Core i7-920 - 16X DVD +/- RW - 6 GB Tri-Channel DDR3 SDRAM 1066MHz (6 DIMMs) - 512MB ATI Radeon HD 4850 - on board audio (?) Currently its running windows 7 beta and I'd love getting osx working on another drive for a dual boot. Do you guys think this is more trouble than its worth? I'm pretty sure you can get leo up and running on that but that video card isnt gonna work. Be prepared to run that i7 on stock speeds due to limitations on that motherboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_donald Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Are you using the pre-boot-cd + a distro" ipc universalDVD" of leopard, or the real retail? that was trying to use universal one... using the preboot disc for the retail version... saw on here someone got it working... http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?s=&...t&p=1059187 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgd Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Has anyone here had reliability problems with the Gigabyte EX58-UD5? I assembled a system today, which booted twice into the BIOS. On my third reboot, it spins the CPU fan for 3-4 seconds, flashes the board LEDs, then stops and tries it al again- stuck in a loop. It never gets to the BIOS screen again. I've tried resetting the CMOS, reseating & re-arranging the RAM, pulling out the graphics card, disconnecting HDD and DVD, etc. Nothing will now bring the board back. I don't think it's a board issue, since it twice booted fine. Personally, I suspect the RAM. Anyway, back to my quesiton - has anyone had similar problems and perhaps found a solution? - BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
np_ Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Has anyone here had reliability problems with the Gigabyte EX58-UD5? I assembled a system today, which booted twice into the BIOS. On my third reboot, it spins the CPU fan for 3-4 seconds, flashes the board LEDs, then stops and tries it al again- stuck in a loop. It never gets to the BIOS screen again. I've tried resetting the CMOS, reseating & re-arranging the RAM, pulling out the graphics card, disconnecting HDD and DVD, etc. Nothing will now bring the board back. I don't think it's a board issue, since it twice booted fine. Personally, I suspect the RAM. Anyway, back to my quesiton - has anyone had similar problems and perhaps found a solution? - BD there is one very simple but effective solution 1: unplug all power cables to mobo 2: remove battery 3: - two choices - wait about 10 mins or just shortcut battery pins on mobo then put back battery , plug all cables , let only one mem dim, boot , and update to last bios ( if any ) restore bios ( take care of wrong overclocking ), shutdown again , add rest mem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgd Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 there is one very simple but effective solution 1: unplug all power cables to mobo 2: remove battery 3: - two choices - wait about 10 mins or just shortcut battery pins on mobo then put back battery , plug all cables , let only one mem dim, boot , and update to last bios ( if any ) restore bios ( take care of wrong overclocking ), shutdown again , add rest mem Thanks np_, I tried that but no luck. The machine still gets stuck in a loop immediately on power-up. There is no indication that the BIOS is even loading. One clue is perhaps that the CPU phase LEDs light up all the way to red on the attempt to power up. Maybe someone with a UD5 could take a look - it's the row of 12 leds located right next to the onboard power switch. Do they all flash for a moment on startup? bgd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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