nami Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Hi Leo4AllRox!!!, I would like to add to the above comment. The best thing about the Retail version of OSX is that you can keep up with the latest version of OS update without it messing up your system. This is one of the best advantages, this is such a big step forward from pre-patched version. Don't get me wrong they are great, but you can't update to the latest version unless you know what you are doing or it will mess up your system. I hope this helps your question. Peace out NSCXP2005 And there is any difference in performance, the system runs smother or faster with retail DVD ? Its more stable ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch_de Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I also think: This way of booting/installing is great BUT: Most Mainboards needs at least some patched drivers for audio , gpu, wlan, ethernet. So for an 100% running system the os x running usable is mostly patched and not 100% orig. OS X ! This fact makes the reason why using that method a bit difficult: - Using it to buy an orig. Apple OS X DVD .... mostly needs patches to run afterwards > not anymore orig. - Using as before an prepatched JAS/IatKOS/KAYWEL DVD .... not legal , but it works in most cases Both installes will have an patched OS X as the result ! And i think also, that most people would not buy an orig. OS X to use it with that new method, because its not 100% sure that it works. And so they download an prepatched DVD too - not much more legal than the old way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSCXP2005 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 it seems to run really smooth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeRunner Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I also think: This way of booting/installing is great BUT:Most Mainboards needs at least some patched drivers for audio , gpu, wlan, ethernet. So for an 100% running system the os x running usable is mostly patched and not 100% orig. OS X ! This fact makes the reason why using that method a bit difficult: - Using it to buy an orig. Apple OS X DVD .... mostly needs patches to run afterwards > not anymore orig. - Using as before an prepatched JAS/IatKOS/KAYWEL DVD .... not legal , but it works in most cases Both installes will have an patched OS X as the result ! And i think also, that most people would not buy an orig. OS X to use it with that new method, because its not 100% sure that it works. And so they download an prepatched DVD too - not much more legal than the old way. I see several advantages to using the retail dvd with boot-132. The distribution of customized boot-132 cd images requires far less bandwidth and download time than pre-patched full install images If you invest the time and effort to identify the patches you need for your system you are better able to correct, or avoid, future update problems Using hardware specific customized boot-132 images means that the people with systems closer to apple specs aren't required to wait until the dev team can resolve all the fringe issues before they are up and running on a new release Apple gets some well deserved revenue from the retail dvd The way I see it, this approach is far superior to the older pre-patched install images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brywalker Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I also think: This way of booting/installing is great BUT:Most Mainboards needs at least some patched drivers for audio , gpu, wlan, ethernet. So for an 100% running system the os x running usable is mostly patched and not 100% orig. OS X ! This fact makes the reason why using that method a bit difficult: - Using it to buy an orig. Apple OS X DVD .... mostly needs patches to run afterwards > not anymore orig. - Using as before an prepatched JAS/IatKOS/KAYWEL DVD .... not legal , but it works in most cases Both installes will have an patched OS X as the result ! And i think also, that most people would not buy an orig. OS X to use it with that new method, because its not 100% sure that it works. And so they download an prepatched DVD too - not much more legal than the old way. The only thing I have patched on my extensions folder is audio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmacky Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Same here ..... I have a complete virgin installation on my Hackintosh .... Only AppleHDA.kext and ACLInject.kext added/modified to my extension folder ... rest all extensions are present and not deleted by me !! Also Kaly's Hard Drive fix to Boot132 to chameleon enables me to boot without the CD. If only I can figure out dual boot with Vista64 I will be a happy camper .... ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch_de Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I see several advantages to using the retail dvd with boot-132. The distribution of customized boot-132 cd images requires far less bandwidth and download time than pre-patched full install images If you invest the time and effort to identify the patches you need for your system you are better able to correct, or avoid, future update problems Using hardware specific customized boot-132 images means that the people with systems closer to apple specs aren't required to wait until the dev team can resolve all the fringe issues before they are up and running on a new release Apple gets some well deserved revenue from the retail dvd The way I see it, this approach is far superior to the older pre-patched install images. You are right. I dont wanted to discuss the great new method "down". Also a lot of people indeed need not much patched things - if they have an well selected mainboard. On Notebooks the situation is much more complicated - they need often much more patches and eben then may not work (fixed gpu, ps2 Problems). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch_de Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Question: Does it can make problems, using the BOOT-132 CD (with some mayor needed .kexts on it) with an OS X Leo which has beed modified (removed AppleIntelCPU, added dsmos.kext, ...). I am trying to convert the Mac 911 Pro DVD (Leo 10.5.4 with lots of Tools on) and it boots the modded 911 DVD. First i got an kernel panic at loading the HDAEnabler.KEXT, i removed it, assembled the DVD new (with Boot-132.ISO part). Now it boots longer but, must be near at the Login (GUI) the PC switches off. Never had that before. I removed such problematic .kexts like AppleIntelCPU from the 911 Image, may this be a problem for BOOT-132 and Leo? On other way would be to use the iso-boot part of the known JAS/iATKOS/LEO4ALL DVDs. How can i extract the ISO-Boot-Part from that JAS/iATKOS/LEO4ALL Hybrid DVDs ? Later i would assembling it togehter with 911 DVD using Toast 8 - like i did with Boot-132 + 911 DVD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pverstraeten Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 My Boot Helper Script Versions 2.5 is now ready for general consumption. you can get ahold of it at the following.. ** LINK REMOVED DUE TO ADDITIONAL REQUIRED TESTS ** Now includes support for making only a ramdisk or mkext, updating the ramdisk on a flash drive, and creating bootable isos with grub and isolinux (grub support is still sketchy at the moment.) Give it a test and tell me of your results on the huland #chameleon channel. Good luck with the tests. ~Galaxy Any news on your Script when we can download it again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmacky Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Use DFE bootloader.Make sure Leopard is the Active partition/HD You need to enable Timeout in com.apple.Boot.plist If Vista is on other HD press esc and type HD number. Select Vista and DFE will load it. If Vista is on SAME HD then just select it and press enter. Don't know why so many people RESORT to using other methods when the built-in one works just fine. Hope this helps. P.S. Wonder where Kaly got his DFE bootloader for HD idea from??? So if I understand you right .... Here are the steps. 1. I already have Leopard 10.5.4 installed on partition 1 2. I plan to install Vista64 on Partition 3 3. Installing Vista will make Partition 3 as the active partition 4. So somehow I have to make Partition 1 Active 5. Finally once all this is done, I boot normally and when it asks me to enter partition to boot I simply select Partition 3 to boot into Vista? Please correct me If I am wrong. Also while I am at it, could you please help me with the steps to make Leopard partition as active partition. Thanks in advance ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idoruxosx Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Hi all and thanks for the hard work, I was successful doing the 10.5 install - very nice !!! Graphics IBM950 - not optimal / Ethernet OOB - but they work - when I try the 10.5.4 combo update the system stalls. Unsure what kexts I need to protects / change / update. In another attempt I have been able to install the original Leopard 10.5 retail and apply the 10.5.1 update without any problems or changes to any files on the system. - The problem comes on the next update which is available through Apple the 10.5.2 combo update - This update installs successfully but stalls on the reboot. Same as above attempt - again any help as to what kext files I should delete / change before performing this combo update. Getting close just need a little push over the top - thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idoruxosx Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Hi all - answering my own question. Solved problem by booting into 10.52 install with the -f switch. This allows (from my understanding) the kexts from the boot disk to be loaded. I then copied the kexts on the boot132 modified disk to the /s/l/e directory. I was then able to boot without the -f switch. Then upgrading to 10.5.4 I had to redo the process. That worked fine. Subsequently I used Kaly chameleon dmg to set the boot to the hard drive. Added nvinject for 7300gt and azaliaaudio kexts and I have a completely working system with a couple of glitches such as - reboot does not work. sure that sleep does not work, but otherwise have latest uptodated leopard install. Thank to everyone for all their posts and to DFE and friends for the cd boot and Kaly especially for his hdd boot chameleon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSCXP2005 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Could you tell me if the azalia audio kexts is compatible with the audio in my system specs? Also do you have a kexts for keyboard and trackpad for hp laptps? Cheers Nscxp2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keplenk Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Hope this helps.P.S. Wonder where Kaly got his DFE bootloader for HD idea from??? That interests me as well lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donk Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Just added a quick topic on using this in VMware to install retail Leopard. http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=118663 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfer96822 Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Retail DVD install and 10.54 combo update success and boot without Boot-132 Installed to external sata 2.5" hd in usb enclosure. Unplugged internal HD power cable first. Booted with Boot-132 replaced Boot_132 with retail dvd leopard chose 9f and installed leo just fine to ext usb HD. rebooted with Boot-132 got leo up fine then installed 10.54 combo update without a hitch. reinstalled my Realtek ethernet and azalia audio kexts with osx86 tools, repaired permissions, rebooted again with Boot-132. next I installed chameleon and then copied all files from Boot-132 to HD. Note one file "boot" failed to copy due to "hidden file error"... no problem. ejected Boot_132 cd and rebooted usb HD and Leo booted fine without the need for a cd boot loader. One thing I did notice is I lost Quartz extreme but since it worked before i will find the way to reenable. worked after retail dvd install before combo update so maybe if i use kexts from retail dvd it will work again. osx86 tools "enable quartz" does not fix it. I use the usb HD to be able to boot Leo in case my internal HD does not boot after mods so i can fix it. Another "Great success" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signal64 Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 After a update to 10.5.4 I can't get any of the fixed AppleACPIPlatform.kext for reboot/shutdown to load without using -f as a boot option. I've tried bumping the version info in both Info.plist and Version.plist as well as increasing the IOProbeScore with no luck. What needs to be done to get this to load out of the boot-132 image? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhumlo Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Hey guys well I got the the retail verison of OSX to install which went fine. But my problems is that after the update to 10.5.4 my computer will reboot and stop at a screen that say to "push the power button to restart". I have no idea what happenned or how to fix it. Anybody have a clue? Thanks in advance -D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeRunner Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Hey guys well I got the the retail verison of OSX to install which went fine. But my problems is that after the update to 10.5.4 my computer will reboot and stop at a screen that say to "push the power button to restart". I have no idea what happenned or how to fix it. Anybody have a clue? Thanks in advance -D Well, to start resolving the problem you need to try to boot the system using the "-f -v" kernel flags and see what errors are displayed. Write down the information and post it here. Then, maybe, someone could try to help you resolve the problem. To avoid the need to try pressing F8 and entering the kernel flags, edit your "/Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/com.apple.Boot.plist" file and add the kernel flags there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfer96822 Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Hey guys well I got the the retail verison of OSX to install which went fine. But my problems is that after the update to 10.5.4 my computer will reboot and stop at a screen that say to "push the power button to restart". I have no idea what happenned or how to fix it. Anybody have a clue? Thanks in advance -D did you install chamelion? or copy Boot_132 files to hard disk? Did you use 0sx86 tools to install any needed kexts? try to boot with -f -v install osx86tools and repair permissions reboot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostek Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Hello, I've problem with this method. I downloaded standard boot iso and generic iso from first post. When I run installer in verbose mode i get this: This is when I use dsmod.kext. Without dsmod.kext installer hangs before "dsmod starting..." message. I'm also try my custom initrd.img with only dsmod.kext but no luck. I'm wait about 10 minutes but nothing hapens. In normal mode installer show gray background with apple logo. My specs are: Foxconn P35a (ICH9), C2D 6550, Samsung Spinpoint F1 320GB, Sound integrated (ALC888), Network integrated(RTL8168/8111), DVD-RW Liteon SWH-160PS (ATA) and ATI X1950. I also try install iAtkos v4 and Leo4all v3 but I've similar problem with installer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menacie Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Does this mean you can install updates from Apple with no problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.Balentong Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Questions. Where can I download Leopard retail dvd iso? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfer96822 Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 ghostek; if leo4 and iatkos cannot install it may be your motherboard is not compatible. is your motherboard/same revision # on hcl list? if so search this site to see if/how someone else installed. i am not highly proficient with mac, but relatively new also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbonkers Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 what does IOProbeScore do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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